Commercial projects???

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

David

Returning to the original:

Posted by Versaboss on 23/08/2011 12:53:53

“And a further point: the remarks about toys and prams are really difficult to understand for us foreigners. Translation, please!”

This is when either a child, a parent or some other person gets so wound up they lose their cool and chuck away valuable resources. It is a comment that people will, at some future date, live to regret unduly hasty responses based upon an impulse of the moment.

Regards

David

 

Yes, quite true.

Often teddies are completly lost and are irecoverable.

Then it is time to take up knitting.

regards David

 

[David Southwell ARPSParticipant @davidsouthwellarps]

Posted by David Clark 1 on 25/08/2011 11:04:14:

Yes, quite true.

Often teddies are completly lost and are irecoverable.

Then it is time to take up knitting.

regards David

 

Perhaps you could apply your expert knowledge and begin a thread on knitting for model engineers starting with an article on turning knitting needles. Maybe there should be a choice of finishing the ends in plain steel or giving them a pearl finish.

 

Someone is sure to complain!

 

Still you could always delete the thread!

regards

David

 

 

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 11:22:22

[Ramon WilsonParticipant @ramonwilson3]

I haven’t posted on here for some time due to other constraints but I have visited on occasion.

I’d just like to say I really can’t believe what I’m seeing.

 

When I first posted about my engines I really hoped I would get some response – no, not of the ‘haven’t you done well kind’ though of course sentiments like that are appreciated but more of an input on what was being done. The anodising ‘help’ received is a good example.

 

It would appear then that in order to promote such response I would need to purchase a teddy and learn to throw, along with a dummy and acquire the ability to spit. I’ve long believed that there more ways to skin a cat but to adopt the personality of one is not for me.

 

Guy’s I’m sure, infact downright bloody positive, that many will agree that this is not the sort of thing this Forum needs. Model engineering is a vast subject but this should not be part of it or am I being completely naive to the situation? I like to think not

 

There, my first post for weeks and it’s contentious – I assure you that goes against the grain but don’t you think enough is enough

 

Regards – Ramon

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

 

I’m finding it very difficult to walk on the eggshells that are strewn around here and feel that It’s almost impossible to know which way others are going to respond.

 

How frustrating to have a forum where ideas and opinions abound, only to have them crushed by those that don’t want to hear them, because it doesn’t suit them.

 

My opinion, to which I think this thread relates, is that it’s not appropriate for a Former Member to have announcements made here, of forthcoming articles somewhere else, as it amounts to free advertising and is an abuse of the goodwill of the service providers here.

However, after publication, I think it would be entirely right to discuss the matter freely, anywhere.

 

It’s just my opinion.

 

 

Martin.

 

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi Ramon

I think your engines are superb.

Well done.

They are a superb eaxample of engineering.

They are hopefully being mentioned in dispatches (our latest email news letter).

 

regards David

 

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi Blowlamp

The screwcutting project is very popular so I have let it run.

Yes, a competitor may get a few sales of his magazine.

That is not as important as the project being published.

It is a shame that so few people will see it.

regards David

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Posted by David Clark 1 on 25/08/2011 11:04:14:

Yes, quite true.

Often teddies are completly lost and are irecoverable.

Then it is time to take up knitting.

regards David

 

Perhaps you could apply your expert knowledge and begin a thread on knitting for model engineers starting with an article on turning knitting needles. Maybe there should be a choice of finishing the ends in plain steel or giving them a pearl finish.

 

Someone is sure to complain!

 

Still you could always delete the thread!

regards

David

 

 

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 11:22:22

A new posting has been made on the thread Commercial projects???.

Posting:

Posted by David Clark 1 on 25/08/2011 11:04:14:

Yes, quite true.

Often teddies are completly lost and are irecoverable.

Then it is time to take up knitting.

regards David

 

Perhaps you could begin a thread on knitting for model engineers starting with an article on turning knitting needles. Maybe there should be a choice of finishing the ends in plain steel or giving them a pearl finish.

 

Someone is sure to complain!

 

Still you could always delete the thread!

regards

David

 

Yes, we could start a thread on knitting needles.

It would keep SWMBOs happy.

Please though, no references to wool suppliers to be mentioned.

They can advertise on our Craft Magazine web site.

 

regards David

 

[David Southwell ARPSParticipant @davidsouthwellarps]

Posted by Ramon Wilson on 25/08/2011 12:21:26:

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I’d just like to say I really can’t believe what I’m seeing.

 

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There, my first post for weeks and it’s contentious – I assure you that goes against the grain but don’t you think enough is enough

 

DAVID: I agree with you. You have come in at the tail end of what has been a really contentious period with a few people, me included, feeling quite aggrieved at the way this forum is managed. Despite what happened to me I remained silent only to be on the receiving end of a number of quite a number of asides that were, IMHO, thoughtless and objectionable. I still remained silent.

The normal role of a moderator on internet forums is to smooth difficulties not start flames. The thinly veiled accusation of bias was clearly directed at me – it was not the first time, IMHO, that this forum has been moderated in an injudicious manner as I am sure Gray and others have found (many of whom now frequent different pastures).

I would like an assurance that prams & their toys will no longer be thrown out of the forum on a whim. Successful internet forums work because users have confidence that decisions will be made in accordance with published rules. Forum decisions are not normally made arbitrarily.

 

The normal role of a forum owner is to provide the space for others to publish and edit their own contributions. There is a big difference between editing a magazine where the editor controls everything and a forum where the owner simply provides a moderator to watch the rules. The difference between these roles does not seem to be understood.. 

 

Whether this forum is commercial or non-commercial, it deserves to be managed in a way that gives users confidence in even-handed management and balance.

 

I do agree enough is enough and as far as I am concerned I can forget the past if I see the prospect of a better managed future.

 

David

 

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 12:54:53

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 13:04:36

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 13:05:35

[Ramon WilsonParticipant @ramonwilson3]

David,

 

It’s not a pat on the back I was looking for, but, as I have said before I see this Forum as my ‘club’ – my only social contact with others of a similar interest so it would be nice to have some interacation. Never the less, your comments are well received .

 

I just feel that some of the comments made on this thread along with those made recently on others seem to me to really go beyond what most members – well certainly myself – come on here for. As I said perhaps I’m being somewhat naive

 

Everyones entitled to an opinion – it’s just the way it’s expressed that matters but I see already that my thoughts have fell on deaf ears – Oh well I did try.

 

What is that line from Peter Pan ? – ‘If you really want to fly you have to think of something nice’ – Then I shall do so

 

Regards – Ramon

 

 

 

 

[EtheAv8rParticipant @etheav8r]

I am glad it is not just me (Ramon & Blowlamp also appear to be examples – sorry for any others I may have missed) who thinks this thread has got completely bonkers, with some seemingly childish and possibly spiteful remarks, is somewhat out of control and it is all rather unnecesary!

 

There may be some agenda I am blissfully ignorant of, but if the point scoring and digs were to stop, maybe we could get back to helping, guiding and supporting each other with (mainly) hobby workshop type things?

 

I am all for debate, disagreement (there are always many ways to do something, none of which is necessarily wrong…), and banter – I love banter – but……………..

 

 

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

FOR CHRISTS SAKE JUST BIN THAT IJIT.

 

John S.

[David Southwell ARPSParticipant @davidsouthwellarps]

Posted by EtheAv8r on 25/08/2011 13:48:17:

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There may be some agenda I am blissfully ignorant of, but if the point scoring and digs were to stop, maybe we could get back to helping, guiding and supporting each other with (mainly) hobby workshop type things?

 

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DAVID: I agree to that with the reasonable expectation that it applies to everyone and we all agree there will be no messing up by anybody – and that includes everybody.

 

Lets keep the forum a forum and respect one another for the different contributions that everyone brings. No more nasty digs, asides or unconstructive contributions.

 

David

 

 

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 14:14:47

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 14:17:51

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

I must agree with Ramon, John S and all, this thread is not needed. Like Ramon this is my only contact with M eng. I suspect, but don’t know, that some of these people are well acquainted with each other and have some sort of personal vendetta, well sort it out together, I’m not interested.

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Hi David

 

I think the best bet is just to delete this thread and maybe, with a little thought and care everywhere, all will return to “normal” (That’s just a bit of Teddy throwing occasionally!)

 

Regards

 

Norman

[David Southwell ARPSParticipant @davidsouthwellarps]

Posted by NJH on 25/08/2011 14:20:03:

Hi David

 

I think the best bet is just to delete this thread and maybe, with a little thought and care everywhere, all will return to “normal” (That’s just a bit of Teddy throwing occasionally!)

 

Hi Norman

I think we should consider keeping the thread as a permanent reminder of what happens when things get nasty. All we need do is ask, whoever it is, to review this thread and maybe, the reminder will serve to settle things down.

 

None will agree with everyone all the time, nor should they – we just need to give one another space to do things their way.

David

My twopennorth

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 14:34:57

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Hi David ( Southwell ARPS)

 

Sorry for the confusion – my comment was intended for David Clark – maybe I should have mailed him directly.

I find little merit in your suggestion of leaving the thread in place I think everyone has made their position quite clear. Better to stop now, move on and be more careful in future.

 

Norman

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Deleting threads like this one means that no one can refer back to it, so it just leaves the door open for the same things to be said all over again.

 

I say leave it and when a similar issue arises, it’s a simple matter to direct people here. The plus side is that other threads don’t get overlooked whilst the same battle is played out for a second time.

 

 

Again, just my opinion.

 

Martin.

[David Southwell ARPSParticipant @davidsouthwellarps]

Posted by NJH on 25/08/2011 15:01:41:

Hi David ( Southwell ARPS)

 

Sorry for the confusion – my comment was intended for David Clark – maybe I should have mailed him directly.

I find little merit in your suggestion of leaving the thread in place I think everyone has made their position quite clear. Better to stop now, move on and be more careful in future.

 

Hi Norman

Martin’s comment is I feel on the ball.   

There are many who need to see some evidence that there is a joint determination to rein in any latent tendencies towards aggressive behaviour.  The existence of this thread may enable a few more to affirm the need to move forward in the way indicated.  

 

Erasing the thread only leaves another gap in the record and a precedent for censoring in the future. 

 

As someone else said “enough is enough”! We do not want further battles just mutual respect for all voices.

 

David 

 

 

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 16:05:26

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Posted by David Southwell HARPS on 25/08/2011 15:52:24:

 

As someone else said “enough is enough”!

 

David

 

 

So stop posting, or do you suffer from a form of electronic diarrhoea ?

 

To be honest this used to be a nice site, very helpful and posters got on.

 

Since you started that stupid robot post that had no content the site has gone to hell in a hand basket.

 

I wish David would either ban you or even me and I wouldn’t have to come here and read this verbal diarrhoea.

 

John S.

[David Southwell ARPSParticipant @davidsouthwellarps]

Posted by John Stevenson on 25/08/2011 16:05:10:

Posted by David Southwell HARPS on 25/08/2011 15:52:24:

 

As someone else said “enough is enough”!

 

David

 

 

JOHN:

 

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I wish David would either ban you or even me and I wouldn’t have to come here and read this verbal diarrhoea.

John S.

 

DAVID: May I respectfully suggest you re-read thread particularly the bit that says:

 Posted by EtheAv8r on 25/08/2011 13:48:17:

“There may be some agenda I am blissfully ignorant of, but if the point scoring and digs were to stop, maybe we could get back to helping, guiding and supporting each other with (mainly) hobby workshop type things?

 

:

 

DAVID: I agree to that with the reasonable expectation that it applies to everyone and we all agree there will be no messing up by anybody – and that includes everybody.

 

Lets keep the forum a forum and respect one another for the different contributions that everyone brings. No more nasty digs, asides or unconstructive contributions.”

 

Regards

 

David 

 

 

 

Edited By David Southwell ARPS on 25/08/2011 16:15:37

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Sorry David,

I can’t read your posts, the quotations are all over the place and I think you are talking to yourself in the fifth person pluperfect and I have no idea who the bold text refers to.

 

I’m strongly of the opinion it’s just an ego trip for you or verbal diarrhoea.

 

Not one of your posts have any practical concept or content.

 

BYE [ small icon at bottom of the message says “Ignore Member “

John S.

[EtheAv8rParticipant @etheav8r]

I resolved not to post further as I had had my say…. but kept up with the thread…

 

Now lost the will to live so signing off. Will come back next week when hopefully ‘Silly Season’ has past and normal service is resumed.

 

Ta taa for now! (Hopefully a lighthearted end to this thread?)

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

David C can the thread be locked that will keep it here for those that want to read it but stop anymore pointless posts by some people.

 

J

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi There

Yes, I can lock it.

I am getting fed up with all the stupid posts, I have to read them all.

 

David Southwell,

I suggest you only post constructive posts that add something new rather than copying someone else’s post and saying yes, I agree.

 

regards David

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