Cheap stuff

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

Well said Steve.

Keep making the videos!

Jim

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:

A good example was a Mitututo spelt wrong . Height gauge 18" the digital version . Listed at around £450. I bought for £35 from a well known auction

Oooh, you do have to watch out for them. If the name was misspelled Mitututo or similar, it is a fake. A Mitututo label stuck on a cheap Chinese height gauge that sells on Aliexpress for about 11 Quid. Stick with the boot sales and UK/US made gear. Much more reliable.

I have a "Mitutoyo" dial test indicator that cost $20 with magnetic base bought from eBay. It does a turn and has lasted 5 years or more. But no way it ever saw the inside of a Mitutoyo factory. So common that Mitutoyo list all the ways to spot a fake on their website. Easy when you know what to look for.

I wish I could find Albrecht chucks at the garage sales around here. No such luck though. Keep us posted on your treasure hunts.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:

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So am i so not stupid as NDIY seems to think

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Thank you for reading this post.

Steve.

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Well said, Steve

‘seems to think’ but not done it yet

MichaelG.

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:

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I am so sorry for posting this link to people who will disrespect my video's. It is to them i apologise.

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I will be 70 yrs old in a few days & have always respected other people. I have always tried to to stay fit & well, even having Cancer twice i fight on. I hope all you members that read this post will do the same. Life is quite short , so make the most of it. Most of all do not disrespect other members like you know who does.

Thank you for reading this post.

Steve.

I wouldn't stop posting, but you can expect diversity of opinion from people who do this hobby for a wide variety of reasons, and take their own pride in a variety of directions.

Rightly or wrongly, when I read posts that offer to educate me, I try to calculate the value of that education to my own approach to the activity, and how much of it I think I already know, before I decide whether to bother with it. And I know well that lots on here won't have the same priorities as I do. Sometimes I look at other folks' albums to see what they've made, as distinct from what they've bought – though it's often no more than a rough guideline.

I'm over 70 too, and I don't think it's worth unnecessarily ruffling others' feathers, or my own.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Hopper on 28/04/2022 05:00:04:

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:

A good example was a Mitututo spelt wrong . Height gauge 18" the digital version . Listed at around £450. I bought for £35 from a well known auction

Oooh, you do have to watch out for them. If the name was misspelled Mitututo or similar, it is a fake. A Mitututo label stuck on a cheap Chinese height gauge that sells on Aliexpress for about 11 Quid. Stick with the boot sales and UK/US made gear. Much more reliable.

I have a "Mitutoyo" dial test indicator that cost $20 with magnetic base bought from eBay. It does a turn and has lasted 5 years or more. But no way it ever saw the inside of a Mitutoyo factory. So common that Mitutoyo list all the ways to spot a fake on their website. Easy when you know what to look for.

I wish I could find Albrecht chucks at the garage sales around here. No such luck though. Keep us posted on your treasure hunts.

Sorry Hopper. I was meaning i had probably spelt wrong. Those items came from a Engineering auction It was in Sheffield. The 2 height gauges are proper items. They were just very dirty & needed a good clean.

Steve.

[Bill PhinnParticipant @billphinn90025]

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:

Tip of the week is , you should have saved more when you were working . That way you could could visit car booties instead of planting potatoes & try to belittle others of greater intelect than you have.

I know i am fortunate to be able to do thing others , can not do due to financial constraints,

Steve, your opening point was that it doesn't cost much to populate your workshop if you buy at boot sales. Here you seem to be saying going to boot sales is only for the financially fortunate.

Jason's two points came across as sober observations to me, and he even sugar coated the second slightly with an emoji to atone for his trademark laconism. I'm not sure you're correct either in saying he "never shows his mug".

On the subject of disrespect, it's not very respectful to sneer at others' perceived impecuniousness or to effectively claim, as you have done, to have a greater intellect than others have.

For the record, I enjoy, and derive benefit from, watching both your and Jason's videos.

Edited By Bill Phinn on 28/04/2022 17:45:38

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Bill Phinn on 28/04/2022 17:29:55:

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:

Tip of the week is , you should have saved more when you were working . That way you could could visit car booties instead of planting potatoes & try to belittle others of greater intelect than you have.

I know i am fortunate to be able to do thing others , can not do due to financial constraints,

Steve, your opening point was that it doesn't cost much to populate your workshop if you buy at boot sales. Here you seem to be saying going to boot sales is only for the financially fortunate.

Jason's two points came across as sober observations to me, and he even sugar coated the second slightly with an emoji to atone for his trademark laconism. I'm not sure you're correct either in saying he "never shows his mug".

On the subject of disrespect, it's not very respectful to sneer at others' perceived impecuniousness or to effectively claim, as you have done, to have a greater intellect than others have.

For the record, I enjoy, and derive benefit from, watching both your and Jason's videos.

Edited By Bill Phinn on 28/04/2022 17:45:38

Well said & i realised i was being rude afterwards. To which i do apologise. The point about cheap stuff & booties (Mainly autojumbles) is i actually enjoy looking through items for sale. I think the main one i go to is Rufforth near York. It costs £2 entry fee, but is usually massive . With all sorts for sale from new to old.

A point i might make is i am far from Rich. I have spent too much on cars & bikes. But at my age who knows what is around the corner. I do mainly live from my state pension & a small private one i took out . I now only dip into savings for the Holidays we take.

As far as Jason's video's go . I must have watched most of them & got benefit from the skill's of others.

Steve.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:.

I am also pretty ashamed at Jason. You are a moderator on this site & also disrepectected me. By buying 4 cheap knulring wheels for a paultry £ 2. Why would you not think that in the future i would not make a bigger version & use those knurles for not much money would come in useful . I watch all your youtube video's & respect them all. Even though you never speak or show your mug.

Steve, you obviously missed the Emoji at the end of my comment or are unaware of what it means or took it the wrong way. As you can see below it is used when something is said in jest .

But at least I shows I looked at the video before passing comment which seems more than some do.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by JasonB on 28/04/2022 18:32:03:

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:.

I am also pretty ashamed at Jason. You are a moderator on this site & also disrepectected me. By buying 4 cheap knulring wheels for a paultry £ 2. Why would you not think that in the future i would not make a bigger version & use those knurles for not much money would come in useful . I watch all your youtube video's & respect them all. Even though you never speak or show your mug.

Steve, you obviously missed the Emoji at the end of my comment or are unaware of what it means or took it the wrong way. As you can see below it is used when something is said in jest .

But at least I shows I looked at the video before passing comment which seems more than some do.

OOps. I am sorry for the oputburst. No i did not know about the pic at the end. I take it that is the little picture on the top right of the box. As for the cheap knurls, I also have lots of other stuff that maybe will not get used. In fact the friend of mine that passed away had so much stuff in the workshop. I brought loads home. I have since passed on a lot of it to a Friend who does lots of machining & projects. Some were a full array of BA taps & dies + stacks of Number drills. Simply because they will never get used. I just could not see it all gets skipped. Anyway again i do apologise to you.

Steve.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

No Worries, I did flick through the vid where you got those other items and who knows many of the items in all our workshops may end up a boot fair when the family have to dispose of it.

You have to look at other peoples videos to see me and be quick at that. Me and Eric who i'm stood next to are not twins, just have the same taste in boots

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Ah yes , saw you. But more interested in that very nice hit & miss.

Steve.

[Phil WhitleyParticipant @philwhitley94135]

As Woody Allen said in one of his many great movies" The worst sin in our house was paying retail"

Phil

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Phil Whitley on 28/04/2022 21:21:22:

As Woody Allen said in one of his many great movies" The worst sin in our house was paying retail"

Phil

Steve.

[Ron LadenParticipant @ronladen17547]

I dont have too much in the way of second hand kit but both my mill (SX2P) and lathe (Warco 918) I bought used and that just comes down to budget. I cant afford the very best so tend to look for the best quality I can find at a reasonable price that suits my pocket. I dont go to car boots but I,m sure there must be some good bargains to be had on the right day. I have had one or two good second hand buys from a well know auction site, a very good height gauge and an imperial micrometer spring to mind. I do avoid cheap cutting tools though I know some sing there praises but that has not been my experience, apart for a set of csk bits that are very good and cost little other items have been quite frankly rubbish.

My star buy has to be the 918 lathe though, 22 years old when I bought it and it had a number of quality mods/improvements and came with a wealth of tooling and accessories. If I had gone for a new lathe of similar size and all the tooling new I dont think I would have got much change out of £3500 and I bought the lathe and all that came with it for £700. So without doubt there are second hand bargains out there and for those with a limited budget, its just a case of finding them. Second hand tooling and machines doesnt mean a poor quality equipped workshop with the right buys quite the opposite in fact.

My thoughts anyway,

Ron

 

 

 

Edited By Ron Laden on 29/04/2022 08:23:56

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

The objection to celebrating finding 'Cheap Stuff' is it creates the impression this is a normal safe way of building a workshop. It isn't! Boot sale and other discoveries depend on luck, and luck is unreliable. You can't go to a boot sale with a shopping list and expect to find any of it

Professional engineering is all about delivering to time and cost. Projects that depend on stuff turning up either fail or take an unknown time to finish, perhaps never. Relying on luck might be OK in a hobby, but even there suggesting it's acceptable to wait for Fortuna to provide the wherewithal is thoroughly bad advice to anyone who wants to get on with it!

Years wasted randomly collecting tools are gone forever.

Dave

 

 

 

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 29/04/2022 09:48:55

[Bob Unitt 1Participant @bobunitt1]

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:

Tip of the week is , you should have saved more when you were working . That way you could could visit car booties instead of planting potatoes & try to belittle others of greater intelect than you have.

Tip of the week – be born to rich parents, and learn to spell 'intellect'.

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Perhaps Steve should have put a warning on the front of his video, that it may offend those who feel it's an attack on how much others spend in their pursuit of 'I want it now', which also can be translated into 'I can afford it / look at my wad.'

So trolling can go two ways and actually no one has quite the same point of view as you or car boots wouldn't exist.

[Jon LawesParticipant @jonlawes51698]

I did briefly consider making some youtube videos of my own to help amateurs (if its a scale with complete novice at one end and expert at the other, I reckon I'm almost a third of the way up it now) but to be perfectly honest I don't think i'm mentally robust enough to deal with the sheer tidal wave of criticism I'd be likely to attract. Like all of these things, detractors shout louder than supporters.

I'm helping some novices get started at the moment, I'll stick with one to one support as it makes me feel less vulnerable!

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Jon Lawes on 29/04/2022 14:14:04:

I did briefly consider making some youtube videos of my own to help amateurs (if its a scale with complete novice at one end and expert at the other, I reckon I'm almost a third of the way up it now) but to be perfectly honest I don't think i'm mentally robust enough to deal with the sheer tidal wave of criticism I'd be likely to attract. Like all of these things, detractors shout louder than supporters.

I'm helping some novices get started at the moment, I'll stick with one to one support as it makes me feel less vulnerable!

Jon, don't be put off by detractors. If you have a skill then i am sure there are lots of people who would benefit from you experience. Me for one. I have learned a lot from this forum. It's really on here that i sometimes get that happening. Probably my own fault for being such a bad speller & not always saying the right things.

If you post on youtube , then you will find a lot of your subscribers will give you good comments. Which will give you a sense of giving your knowledge to others. Remember , you cannot take it with you.

Steve.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Bob Unitt 1 on 29/04/2022 11:46:14:

Posted by Steviegtr on 28/04/2022 02:46:45:

Tip of the week is , you should have saved more when you were working . That way you could could visit car booties instead of planting potatoes & try to belittle others of greater intelect than you have.

Tip of the week – be born to rich parents, and learn to spell 'intellect'.

Yes Bob my spelling is not too good. But you could be correct on rich parents or maybe not quite.

My Mum was a cook at a local school. My Dad was a Carpenter & later opened a small shop repairing TV & Radio equipment. We were brought up on a Council estate I did terrible at school.

But i did not spend money in pubs or eating out. Always repaired my own vehicles, so managed to save some for old age. Again i am not a rich kid. If i was would i be doing video's of building a workshop for little money.

I think it's my big mouth & not pre thinking what my fingers are doing on the keyboard that is my downfall.

Again i do apologise if i was miss leading.

Steve.

[Kiwi BlokeParticipant @kiwibloke62605]

C'mon girls, less of the scratching and hair-pulling.

We all like to do things our own way. The sin is to think that our way has to be the right way. Personally, I get a (possibly perverse) kick out of getting things cheap. There's a pleasure to be had from ownership, which is presumably what drives collectors. It's no sin, I try to convince my wife, to accumulate stuff that may get little use, but which nevertheless provides pleasure. She says that's why she keeps me. Most of my gear is top-quality stuff, bought second-hand, for bargain prices.

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi, it's horses for courses really, I've bought cheap tools at times knowing they won't last long, but were used on rough jobs that didn't have to be to any tolerance per se and I wouldn't what my better tools getting messed up on such things. I have bought decent second hand tools from boot sales and some years ago now, there used to be a local one every Sunday, where one guy had nothing but tools, most of which were of the categories that our hobbies use and despite what Dave (SOD) said, you could get almost anything on your shopping list, just about any week you went. The guy was doing it for a living and his prices were very fair and he had well respected makes and much cheaper than new prices, but he did have a few odd things that had hardily any use and were a bit higher price, but still fair. I have had one advantage during my working life, while working at my long term job, as all the hand tools needed, including welding hoods etc. were provided by the company and were ours when we left, so in my last twelve years of work, I didn't need to buy very many replacement tools at all for the rest of my day jobs. When buying second hand tools though, I much prefer a boot or market sale and the second hand ones that are very often at the Model Engineering Exhibitions or at rallies, where you can inspect their value rather than trust a picture on a screen, but don't see many garage sale near my location.

Regards Nick.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Nicholas Farr on 30/04/2022 10:47:23:

… I have bought decent second hand tools from boot sales and some years ago now, there used to be a local one every Sunday, where one guy had nothing but tools, most of which were of the categories that our hobbies use and despite what Dave (SOD) said, you could get almost anything on your shopping list, just about any week you went. The guy was doing it for a living and his prices were very fair and he had well respected makes and much cheaper than new prices, but he did have a few odd things that had hardily any use and were a bit higher price, but still fair….

When and where was does this chap appear Nick? I want some please! He's never at the Compton Martin Flower and Dog Show, I can tell you!

Same problem round here with scrapyards. Apparently some forum friends are surrounded by benevolent scrappies happy to sell desirable metal at bargain prices. Not round here they aren't! None of my locals allow the public to buy scrap or to explore the yard. It's protected by razor wire and irritable Alsatian dogs. Been that way for about 20 years…

Dave

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

I never visit boot sales.

I suspect far too much of the stuff is nicked.

I've worked at places where toolboxes have been stolen Given the amount of engineering "bargains" at these places I think it naive to think its not dodgy.

Same goes further trades tools sold at boot sales

Jim

[Cory LynwoodParticipant @corylynwood25518]

Great video, I enjoyed watching it, thanks! =)

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