Burglar alarm

[colin hawesParticipant @colinhawes85982]

The railways have a live rail with a warning notice on a fence for those who can read . Colin

[Fowlers FuryParticipant @fowlersfury]

Despite the cut-backs it's likely your local police will have a crime prevention team. If so it's worth contacting them as they often have negotiated sizeable discounts on shed & surroundings security devices. Here in Warwickshire they are very proactive and give useful advice on site. However I'm not pretending they'll turn out in the event of a break-in, even when it's actually taking place.

[MikeParticipant @mike89748]

All this reminds me of the almost certainly apocryphal tale concerning the old chap who phoned the police because two men were breaking into his garage. The police advised him to lock himself into the house for his own safety because they were sorry, but they didn't have anyone they could send at the moment.. The old boy put the phone down, waited for five minutes, then phoned the police and said: "No rush now – take your time- I've just shot them." In what seemed only a few minutes a helicopter hovered overhead, five police cars and a personnel carrier arrived, the house was surrounded by an armed response squad in full body armour, and the two burglars, totally unharmed, were in handcuffs. The householder was being interviewed by a senior officer. "Why did you lie to us – you don't even have a gun?", he was asked. He replied: "Because you lied to me, and told me you had nobody to send."

 

Edited By Mike on 18/03/2018 18:32:18

[Kevin BennettParticipant @kevinbennett25223]

what you need is a ​ ( Bisley 12 gauge alarm mine burglars intruder security)
form fle bay as you can get blanks with no problem I have something similar in my workshop the only problem is if you forget to remove the hidden trip, as you will have to go back indoors the change your brown trousers

[Gordon AParticipant @gordona]

An EU approved sign should be understandable to all ..should it not? The image of a person in some distress with fingers in their ears or wearing ear defenders which I believe are approved signs should be obvious to all but the criminally thick.

I make this point because I understand that under UK law causing "alarm or distress" is a criminal offence. Therefore I would hate to have my collar felt because I have caused some little scrote to wet his pants when sound levels suddenly surpass the threshold of pain! Likewise, in these circumstances having the relevant warning signs may help to protect from future civil action for damaged hearing.

Mike, in the circumstance you referred to, I would tell the police that I would put the phone down and start "shooting". When they arrived I would tell them that I had "shot" some quality video of the "alleged" offenders. No harm in that is there?

It appears that we tread a very fine line these days when trying to protect our valuable tools and machinery.

Gordon.

[Sam Longley 1Participant @samlongley1]

For the OP       **LINK**

 

Edited By Sam Longley 1 on 18/03/2018 20:43:03

[KWILParticipant @kwil]

(2)An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation is displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and the person who is harassed, alarmed or distressed is also inside that or another dwelling.

(3)It is a defence for the accused to prove—

(a)that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling, or

(b)that his conduct was reasonable.

[Antony PowellParticipant @antonypowell28169]

My brother had an ex military dog that had failed it's exams !!

When the house was broken into the dog took a large piece of flesh out of the burglars bottom….the police followed the blood trail in the snow to the burglars house at the other end of the street.

best bit was the burglar sued my brother for having a dangerous dog (even though he broke into its home) at court the military turned up and informed the court that it did not have any authority over the dog as, ex military trained animals never go off duty, and as such the dog was doing what it was trained to do…….case dismissed.

never got burgled again

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Two more anecdotes. Both true, but I couldn't possibly comment.

1) A shopkeeper had a Staffordshire Bull Terrier bitch as a pet. he and his wife went out for the evening. On return the pups and mum were growling. Mum was guarding his wallet, while the pups were playing with the seat of someone's trousers.

2) A friend looked into his garden and saw two men trying to break into his shed. Hev rang the police, who were less than interested until he said "Well I shall have to take my swordstick to them" Cue arrival of the police, with handcuffs aweigh, until they saw that the one chap was not caucasian. Exit stage left.

A former working colleague had a motorbike stolen. When recovered, he fitted a tripwire and a blankfirer across the doorway of his garage. He said that having what seemed to be a 12 bore fire at one's legs was an experience that did not need to be repeated!

Howard

[the artfull-codgerParticipant @theartfull-codger]

A few yrs ago my brother was involved in a motor accident one friday evening,the upshot was his van was taken away to a compound [with all his tools , gear & keys in] he needed the tools as he works for himself[electrician] also didn't want the local scrotes to rob his gear from the compound over the weekend which happens ,the police wern't bothered,just hard luck wait till the place opens in 2 days mate, he said to them but my house keys are in & my address is in, still no joy– till he told them I have 2 shotguns and a .22 bullet gun at home, hope they don't come round my house!!, needless to say the compound was opened straight away he got his tools and keys back straightaway..

[Roger Williams 2Participant @rogerwilliams2]

The law is wrong in my view, mainly that there are no deterrants to help stop the crime in the first place and generally speaking, the police are crap. I was told recently, that if you get caught driving off with snow on your vehicle , you could be in for a £1000 fine, but for burglary, first offence, a caution.

[MikeParticipant @mike89748]

Yes, Roger – a few years ago we had quite a heavy snowfall here in North-east Scotland, and a number of friends and neighbours were stopped by the police and warned for driving with snow on car roofs, although windows, mirrors and lights were perfectly clear. At the same time we have, for a rural area, a bad drugs problem. What clown is it that decides on police priorities?

[Nick HulmeParticipant @nickhulme30114]

Posted by Kevin Bennett on 18/03/2018 20:02:07:

what you need is a ​ ( Bisley 12 gauge alarm mine burglars intruder security)
form fle bay as you can get blanks with no problem I have something similar in my workshop the only problem is if you forget to remove the hidden trip, as you will have to go back indoors the change your brown trousers

They're terribly sensitive to moisture, I've been advised to cover them with a small meat paste jar to keep them dry

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

Nick I presume the glass shrapnel from the meatpaste jar adds to the overall efficiency.

Dave W

[the artfull-codgerParticipant @theartfull-codger]

Posted by Nick Hulme on 06/05/2018 11:58:28:

Posted by Kevin Bennett on 18/03/2018 20:02:07:

what you need is a ​ ( Bisley 12 gauge alarm mine burglars intruder security)
form fle bay as you can get blanks with no problem I have something similar in my workshop the only problem is if you forget to remove the hidden trip, as you will have to go back indoors the change your brown trousers

They're terribly sensitive to moisture, I've been advised to cover them with a small meat paste jar to keep them dry

Kevin, my brother [the one with the guns] has one of them & good it is too,& as Roger says theres no real deterrent,I had a couple of grands worth of engineering equipment stolen a few yrs ago, the old bill asked if I wanted "coucilling".

[MWParticipant @mw27036]

Posted by Mike on 18/03/2018 18:29:54:

All this reminds me of the almost certainly apocryphal tale concerning the old chap who phoned the police because two men were breaking into his garage. The police advised him to lock himself into the house for his own safety because they were sorry, but they didn't have anyone they could send at the moment.. The old boy put the phone down, waited for five minutes, then phoned the police and said: "No rush now – take your time- I've just shot them." In what seemed only a few minutes a helicopter hovered overhead, five police cars and a personnel carrier arrived, the house was surrounded by an armed response squad in full body armour, and the two burglars, totally unharmed, were in handcuffs. The householder was being interviewed by a senior officer. "Why did you lie to us – you don't even have a gun?", he was asked. He replied: "Because you lied to me, and told me you had nobody to send."

 

Edited By Mike on 18/03/2018 18:32:18

This is why the NYPD eventually changed it's tactics in the 90's because of rising crime, they adopted a zero tolerance policy, meaning that nothing could be treated as too petty to investigate, because people were slowly losing trust in their competence, which would set a reasonable precedent for vigilantism.

The only way to stop that was to show that they were still useful. 

Michael W 

Edited By Michael-w on 06/05/2018 18:07:48

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