Boxford Lathe résurrection

[Sam SpoonsParticipant @samspoons83065]

My Boxford is an ex school model I was given about 20 years ago. I got it running, just, back then but then a move of workshop space left it in a corner gathering dust until last week.

Condition is not great but I don't intend a restoration just to get it working and make it safe.

So a couple of questions :-

1. How to change speeds, I guess I just move the belt by hand as there is no mechanism but any trick to it?

2. It has no spindle lock so how do I remove the chuck (I have read that using the back gears to lock the spindle is not a great idea)?

FWIW it all seems to work, all gears available, lead screw works, and it's remarkably quiet. The motor is a salvaged ¼ HP single phase ex-washing machine unit with rudimentary wiring, that will be the first bit to be tidied up. I know it's underpowered but I will change it later when I know everything works properly. The motor pulleys are oversize I think as spindle speeds are +25% which is not ideal. I'm electrically competent but can anybody suggest the simplest cheapest way to wire it up (tested it with a plug in RCCD to switch on and off)?

Edited By Sam Spoons on 04/04/2020 13:41:42

[Sam SpoonsParticipant @samspoons83065]

Copied over from the introduce yourself forum.

[Clive Brown 1Participant @clivebrown1]

1. The belts should slacken when the white knob by the countershaft is pulled forward. Belts should then be moveable. There is a turnbuckle to adjust the belt tension in the tensioned position.

2. Agreed, DO NOT LOCK THE SPINDLE BT MEANS OF THE BACK-GEAR. I have a short piece of 4"x2" wood which I stand on the bed behind the chuck jaws. I grab hold of the drive belt, push sharply away from me and jaw whacks onto the wood. Never failed, but might not be at first go. The further out the jaws are, the better

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

There is no spindle lock on the Smart & Brown model A at the museum. Also, no accessible pulley, or belt to use Clive's method. We usually have to engage the back gear without unlocking the pulley, which locks the spindle. To avoid the sudden stresses which can strip teeth, we use a strap wrench to gently increase the torque. This works pretty well, especially as the chucks may be changed several times a week.

For a safer switching system, a no volt type with the large latching emergency off button is best.

**LINK**

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Sam Spoons on 04/04/2020 13:33:03:

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The motor is a salvaged ¼ HP single phase ex-washing machine unit with rudimentary wiring, that will be the first bit to be tidied up. I know it's underpowered but I will change it later when I know everything works properly

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A ¼ HP single phase ex-washing machine motor will probably disappoint when you get to cutting metal. Not only is it underpowered, but single-phase washing machine motors are good at speed-control rather than smooth delivery of power. It's likely to be a Universal Motor intended for use with a speed controller. OK for testing, not so good for permanent use on a lathe which wants different motor characteristics.

Well worth fitting a bigger 3 phase motor and VFD if the lathe is in reasonable mechanical condition and going to be used. A Boxford owner will know the size, my guess between 1/2 and 1HP. Then the wiring can be sorted out.

Dave

[Ex contributorParticipant @mgnbuk]

It's likely to be a Universal Motor intended for use with a speed controller.

Not necessarily Dave. Early washing machines (single tub & maybe twin tub) used normal capacitor start motors. I have such a Hoover motor runnng my 6×4 bandsaw, which was bought motorless.

Nigel B

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

A strap wrench like this **LINK** can help to remove a screwed chuck.

When I had dealings with a Boxford a long time ago we used a similar wrench with a leather strap

[OldironParticipant @oldiron]

Original motor was 1/2 hp so you are going to be running under powered at 1/4 hp. Replace it when you can. There are lots of posts on the chuck removal in the forum use the search box right at the top right hand side to search for them. I find the best way is a piece of hex bar in the chuck, attach a big wrench to the bar and a sharp tap downwards does the job. Protect the ways with a bundle of rags or a sack. Once you get it loose remove and clean it and oil and clean spindle threads before replacement. Unless you crash it you will be unlikely to do any heavy enough cutting to get it stuck on again. Regular removal & cleaning is the way to go. It may take a few taps if the chuck has been sitting there for 20 years.

Something similar to this rated to suit the motor would be fine for the switch. Switch

The lathe looks like a model "C" if I am not mistaken. I have an "AUD" if I can be of any help just ask.

regards

Edited By Oldiron on 04/04/2020 16:12:21

Edited By Oldiron on 04/04/2020 16:15:52

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

Boxford BUD had a 3/4 HP single phase motor as my AUD has.

Although I agree about not engaging back gear to remove the chuck, the official Boxford handbook recommends this approach.

[Rex HanmanParticipant @rexhanman57403]

Once you have got the chuck off at sometime you will need to refit it. Make sure you wind it fully on before you switch on as the sudden snatch will make it very tight. Don't ask me how I know…….

[Sam SpoonsParticipant @samspoons83065]

Thanks for the replies.

#oldiron, that switch looks perfect*, I have a cheap one missing the emergency stop button on the way but will repurpose that for another machine. I know the motor is underpowered (my lathe is a CSB model, apparently the original motor would have been 1/3HP and that was considered somewhat feeble) but it was what I could scrounge at the time. It is a Brooke Motors "Merlin mk III" so pretty old.

Next question, how do I adjust the back gear engagement? And, while the bull wheel does engage the dogs, there is still a gap between the bull wheel and the spindle side of the dog clutch, I assume that can also be adjusted?

TIA

* And #old mart who linked to the same switch.

Edited By Sam Spoons on 06/04/2020 13:42:04

[Sam SpoonsParticipant @samspoons83065]

Update, the back gear engagement is fine, I was having a numpty moment

Still trying to sort the bull gear/spindle dog clutch engagement?

Has anybody got a link to .pdf/ebook manuals or parts lists for my CSB? I can only find mkII and *UD versions.

TIA

Edited By Sam Spoons on 07/04/2020 19:23:45

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

This is the general manual which mentions the model C – The CSB being the model C Schools Boxford.

Have a look here

Boxford Handbook

http://www.pulse-jets.com/boxford/boxford_know_your_lathe.pdf

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Posted by Sam Spoons on 07/04/2020 19:23:18:

Still trying to sort the bull gear/spindle dog clutch engagement?

Edited By Sam Spoons on 07/04/2020 19:23:45

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. Is it when the back gear is not in use and you are referring to the gap between the bullwheel and the pulley block? This is controlled by the lever on the front of the headstock and probably means your brass shoe is worn – see my post in your intro thread. You can get at it by undoing the lever and its brass bush.

[Sam SpoonsParticipant @samspoons83065]

Posted by Bazyle on 07/04/2020 21:22:16:

Posted by Sam Spoons on 07/04/2020 19:23:18:

Still trying to sort the bull gear/spindle dog clutch engagement?

Edited By Sam Spoons on 07/04/2020 19:23:45

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. Is it when the back gear is not in use and you are referring to the gap between the bullwheel and the pulley block? This is controlled by the lever on the front of the headstock and probably means your brass shoe is worn – see my post in your intro thread. You can get at it by undoing the lever and its brass bush.

Thanks Bazyle, that helps.

And thanks Speedy, yes I had found that one.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

BTW it is 30 years since I last replaced mine so I can't remember if the shoe likes to drop off its spigot on the lever and fall inside the housing. It is a simple thing to make, just a hole in a bit of brass bar and a bit of filing for the angles. Item 109

[Sam SpoonsParticipant @samspoons83065]

Might be a good first project

The sliding wheel does slide but, obviously, if the pegs are not lined pit can't go all the way, then when you do line them up it doesn't seem to engage fully until you push it across by hand (well screwdriver actually). Once engaged it seems to work well enough though the pegs are quite worn and probably would not cope with much load. Replacing them is a job for the future though.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

I think the pegs come in the worn state, or rounded off to make them engage more easily. The danger of not replacing the shoe is the steel peg breaks through the side and does the work instead and scores the side of the groove. When you take it apart it would be an idea to take a picture of the bits and post for other owners reference.

BTW don't be tempted to just reverse the shoe so the thick side is able to do the job as this would allow the wheel to move over when in back gear and attempt to lock onto the pulley with tooth gnashing results.

 

Edited By Bazyle on 08/04/2020 12:43:05

[Sam SpoonsParticipant @samspoons83065]

I will take pics when I dismantle. It's a job for later though as I'll need to sort the electrics first when my new switch arrives.

I suspect some teeth gnashing has happened in the past, not so much the teeth as the dogs/pins in the bull gear as they are slightly bent (which is what I meant by worn).

Edited By Sam Spoons on 08/04/2020 12:50:09

[Sam SpoonsParticipant @samspoons83065]

Here are a couple of pics of the parts I've extracted from the headstock, the brass shoe is worn as expected, the wear is pretty much all on one side. The hole in the lever shaft that the securing bolt, presumably, locates is somewhat mashed and doesn't look as if it's in the right place, there is another hole on the opposite side of the lever shaft which looks as if a bolt may have broken in a thread causing them to reverse the shaft. Without a decent drawing it's hard to tell whether the peg should be top or bottom.

Is there a trick to reassembling the mechanism or is it just fiddling blind with double jointed wrists and long fingers?

Edited By Sam Spoons on 08/04/2020 19:29:23

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Pin at the top makes it so the lever is at the right for normal use and at the left for back gear but I think it will fit either way. For reassembly thick grease helps hold the bits together. My lever is held on by a taper pin but is the earlier model as it has the motor on a sliding plate. Yours might have suffered the same fate as mine – someone had the carriage to the end such that the top slide must have hit the lever and broken it off .and the back gear trashed The lever was brazed back together and the fast only lathe consigned to the company's wood shop whence it passed to me with a decade of sawdust and oil goo.

[Sam SpoonsParticipant @samspoons83065]

WRT the sliding gear mechanism. It is impossible to get your hand around the bull gear and pulleys to the pin on the mech so reassembly initially looked impossible. Eventually Bazyle's hint about thick grease triggered enough synapses to suggest a solution. I was thinking that you can't stick the shoe to the peg if you can't reach the peg. The answer? Stick the shoe into the slot on the gear and rotate it into position then carefully push the lever mech through the hole in the headstock hoping the pin engages with the hole in the shoe*.

I have not actually ignored the advice not to reverse the shoe but as I don't have a suitable piece of brass I have done so pro-temp until I can make a new one.

The hole in the shaft is in the correct place, not sure why there is a similar hole on the other side but that's another job for later when I'll probably drill and tap the lever in a different place and add a third locating hole in the shaft.

Thanks for the help, more updates as things progress.

* I was unreasonably pleased with myself when this worked first time

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