Belt drive convertion Worco WM16 mill

[Brian MerrifieldParticipant @brianmerrifield92050]

I would like to fit a drive belt to my Worco WM16 mill. Looking around at what is on offer in the shape of ready-made kits and what other people have done leaves me wondering which is going to be my best option. I don’t mind the cost of buying a kit, but on the other hand, making the parts would not be a problem. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many thanks
Brian

[alan ord 2Participant @alanord2]

Brian, there is a guy who provides kits for the Warco WM 16 Mill. No idea what he charges and he is based in Europe. His name is Murat Bilgin Bilici. If you are interested he can be contacted via his e mail :- mbbilici@mbbilici.com

If you do contact him I would be interested in how much he charges for a kit.

Alan.

[alan ord 2Participant @alanord2]

P.S. If you put his e mail address into google search it brings up his web site.

Alan

[Brian MerrifieldParticipant @brianmerrifield92050]

Hi Alan, Thanks for your response. I have visited his website and asked some questions about how it fits the machine. The price is listed at £118.56 Ex tax. I have also looked for reviews of his kits and so far have only seen positive comments.

I’ll keep you informed.

Best wishes

Brian

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

Brian, I don’t want to rain on your parade, but  take the top and motor plate off your WM16 to expose the spindle drive shaft to check. If yours looks like the picture below, then you have no chance of using the Bilici mod.

Basically, the hollow spindle drive shaft terminates about 2mm above the bearing. The extension to the drive shaft is just a bush and is only a pressed in fitting that clings on with about 2mm of overlap. The bush has been removed to the two o’clock position in the picture. It doesn’t take much to remove, which is OK because it is only used as a carrier for the slotted speed sensor ring.

As his belt mod relies on securing the drive pully  to the spindle drive shaft, the problem is immediately apparent – in this version of the mill, there is nothing secure to secure the pulley to! We had a lengthy exchange of e mails before coming to the conclusion that his particular mod cant work on this incarnation unless you want to fit a shaft extension inside the drive shaft and lose the quill operation (some of the CNC boyos do use that method, but it would be no use to me).

I recently had a major rant about it all on one of the threads if you can be bothered – cant remember exactly title possibly  – Warco mill lubrication – or something similar. Resigned myself to inevitable and spent the money on a better set of ear defenders.

But don’t let my negitivity stop you from going down the rabbit hole.

 

 

 

[Brian MerrifieldParticipant @brianmerrifield92050]

Hi Martin,

Thanks for responding, doing away with the quill operation is acceptable for me as my machine has a CNC conversion. I had started to draw an arrangement using an expandable sleeve to grip the inside of the main drive tube. If there are no better options before the drawing is finished, I will make a start on machining the parts. I love starting new projects.

Your rant the other day made me smile. I recognise your frustration. The trouble is, these machines are inexpensive, and we have to accept their shortcomings. I know it is easy to say but not so easy to do. Luckily for me, I have a manual Myford VMC mill as well. It has beautiful scraped ways as might be expected from Myford.

Best wishes

Brian

[DellParticipant @dell]

I have his kit on my Warco WM12 and Murrat didn’t have a kit for it so he designed & made it to my measurements, we must have had 100 emails going back and forth with pictures and measurements but I can’t fault the kit or Murrat for that matter and I must admit I was a bit sceptical dealing with someone in Turkey but needlessly as it turns out.

EDIT I can still use my quill

PS if you contact him please say Dell said hi.

[Mick BaileyParticipant @mickbailey28509]

The price quoted for the kit at £118.56 ex. tax raises a concern about double taxation and potential exposure to additional import costs.

I’ve been bitten by this. If the total cost including shipping is under £135, VAT is collected by the seller and paid through their UK registration to HMRC. The parcel clears UK customs and there’s nothing further to pay.

A problem arises where the seller collects VAT and is not registered. Some sellers have caught onto this, pocket the VAT, leaving the customer exposed to paying further costs on import if the parcel is intecepted by customs.

If the total cost is over £135 the parcel should be tax-free at the point of sale, but the costs are then payable on import to the UK. The parcel is retained by the courier and you  will be notified of shipping costs.

Another charge that I’ve been hit with is a triple charge situation. The seller charged VAT and pocketed this. The parcel was picked up by customs and I was charged VAT plus the collection fee (at the time £8+VAT). The item was faulty and got sent back for exchange, but when the replacement arrived in the UK I was charged VAT and the collection fee again.

Thats three lots of VAT and £20 total in fees. I appealed the charges but after a grinding and tedious process that was ongoing for months I gave up and accepted the loss.

I’ve reported a number of sellers on Ebay who are pocketing the VAT and they’ve been banned, but the practice is extremely widespread.

Its worthwhile making sure that any seller who is charging VAT or sales tax is operating according to HMRC rules. If not, you put yourself at risk of additional charges.

People will no doubt say that they buy all the time with no problem, but this isn’t guaranteed. YMMV, as they say.

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