Being nice to a vise

[andrew lynerParticipant @andrewlyner71257]

This must be a common problem. You have a small object that is held out to the side of a vise. You do the vise up tight but it always worries me that there's a tremendous asymmetry / twist to the load on the guides and vise frame. I often rummage around for a similar sized piece to put on the other end of the jaws and, when both pieces are held firm, I reckon I'm saving the vice from needless damage. (Ditto my Workmate.)

It would be ideal if I had a small screw jack to balance up the load. I have tried a pair of thin, reverse-tapers and that works. But is there a specific name for such a device? I'd like to have a look at some alternative approaches – or even buy something.

Every one of you who read this will have had this problem to solve. Problem is that it crops up half way through a job and never really gets my full attention.

[andrew lynerParticipant @andrewlyner71257]

How to deal with a lop-sided load on a vise

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

Good point! I would guess that the metal body is made of iron or steel selected for strength rather than hardness, so maybe possible to provide a threaded hole at the left side (if you're right-handed) for a jack screw, with a clearance hole in the jaw piece if needed.

[Dave SParticipant @daves59043]

Never worried about it with my metalworking vices.

A none issue in a workmate – there are 2 screws just balance the loading.

Dave

[Anonymous]

My machine vice is somewhat larger, and sturdier, than many of my workpieces, so I don't worry too much, although the manual does warn about asymmetric loading. I don't let the workshop gorilla loose under these conditions. As I am building two nominally identical engines i often have a second part to balance the load anyway.

Andrew

[andrew lynerParticipant @andrewlyner71257]

Posted by John Haine on 08/10/2021 15:34:55:

Good point! I would guess that the metal body is made of iron or steel selected for strength rather than hardness, so maybe possible to provide a threaded hole at the left side (if you're right-handed) for a jack screw, with a clearance hole in the jaw piece if needed.

Ah yes – "jack screw" finds the sort of thing I am needing on Google. But what I am finding tend to be on the big side. It would be nice to use it for pieces of one or two cm size that could be subjected to some serious forces (not just hacksawing) And on my mini mill, vibration is always with me and some good balancing in the milling vise could help with that.

"A none issue in a workmate – there are 2 screws just balance the loading." oh yes of course – silly me – we do that all the time with a workmate. I need 'that other screw' for other equipment too.

My main problem is on my metal bandsaw which is held by a clamp with a single bolt. Short pieces cannot give a balanced load and something of identical size needs to be put at the other end. That saw is magic and it leaves a smashing finish with a good square cut. If I could use it conveniently and more often, I would be very happy.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Simply have a range of bolts in different diameters. Drop in the appropriate one at the other end of the vise jaws. Problem solved?

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

On my machine vice I use adjustable parallels. If doing a lot of bench vice work then why not knock up some crude DIY versions?

pgk

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Can't you simply tap a few different lengths of bar after facing off each end and then take another piece of the same bar, turn down and thread one end and face the other.

You then have a simple screw jack made to the size you want that can be adjusted to fill the gap between the jaws. You can also use the same thing to support the end of long overhangs etc.

Personally I don't bother and happily hold small parts at one side of the mill vice if the machining requires access to an end. My woodwork vice doe snot grip so well on the end and I simply have pieces of the common thickness boards I tend to grip with a peg through them and just drop that into the far end of the vice when needed.

Also have a look for Machinist's jack

Edited By JasonB on 08/10/2021 16:42:16

[Anonymous]

The bandsaw problem is easily solved, think it was Neil who I first saw mentioning it a few years ago. Drill and tap the far end of the moving jaw in the middle M10 or similar. Fit a bolt and you can screw it in and out to match the thickness of the material at the front to stop the jaw skewing too much.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Posted by Mick Berrisford on 08/10/2021 16:41:13:

The bandsaw problem is easily solved, think it was Neil who I first saw mentioning it a few years ago. Drill and tap the far end of the moving jaw in the middle M10 or similar. Fit a bolt and you can screw it in and out to match the thickness of the material at the front to stop the jaw skewing too much.

Nice idea, cheers

[andrew lynerParticipant @andrewlyner71257]

Posted by Mick Berrisford on 08/10/2021 16:41:13:

The bandsaw problem is easily solved, think it was Neil who I first saw mentioning it a few years ago. Drill and tap the far end of the moving jaw in the middle M10 or similar. Fit a bolt and you can screw it in and out to match the thickness of the material at the front to stop the jaw skewing too much.

Good idea Mick. Thanks for the loan of your brain!!!!

[Robert ButlerParticipant @robertbutler92161]

If it bothers you, use thev jacking pieces from a clamping set with scrap strips to balance the work. perhaps ungainly!

Robert Butler

[Rod RenshawParticipant @rodrenshaw28584]

I rescued some credit card sized information "cards," made of a hard plastic just like credit cards , when the issue we had in our office was replaced by a new version and we were told to bin the old ones.

I took home a pile about 2 inches high. I drilled a hole through the stack in one corner and fitted a 2 BA nut, bolt and washer to hold them all together – with a bit of slack. I use the appropriate thickness of cards to make up a "pack" of the same thickness as the workpiece, swivelling the unneeded cards out of the way. And I use the pack on the other side of the vice as described in several posts above. I hope that's clear, the cards needed to make up the required thickness go between the vice jaws and the remainder sit just above or to the side of the jaws. All the cards stay on the bolt at all times so none get lost. It works quite well, cost almost nothing, and seems quicker to adjust than a screw jack..

Don't have to be plastic cards, could be small pieces of sheet metal all cut to the same size or even washers with an extra, off centre hole drilled in them.. Good use for off cuts?

Rod

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

I would be careful to be sure the packer or jack does not rob the grip from the job item, the better the vice the more important it will be to match the packer to the job.

Mike

[Mike E.Participant @mikee-85511]

Consider using a cheap leaf gage. You can adjust the number of leaves easily to suit your issue for small parts on the opposite end of your vice jaws.

[bernard towersParticipant @bernardtowers37738]

8 or 10 mm washers slid on to a piece of 3 mm bar which rests on the vice jaws?

[Paul LousickParticipant @paullousick59116]

I don't have a problem loading up one side of a decent bench vise. A bit different with the cheap pressed metal one on my band saw.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Anyone who didn't know the screw modification for the vice on a bandsaw should have a look at the many blogs and youtubes on bandsaw mods as you have probably missed a lot of other tweaks that are helpful.

[Bo’sunParticipant @bosun58570]

Another vote for adjustable parallels. If you don't want to buy a set, buy a small one (if you can buy them singly of course) and use it with suitable plain packing pieces.

[Cabinet EnforcerParticipant @cabinetenforcer]

When cutting smaller pieces on the bandsaw I usually just use some packing pieces from the offcuts left on the saw.

 

However my next roundtuit will be spent on one of these, which is the most elegant solution I have seen for a bandsaw vice:

https://youtu.be/vPWFWAs9HB0?t=83

 

Edited By Cabinet Enforcer on 09/10/2021 11:34:39

[Dr. MC BlackParticipant @dr-mcblack73214]

I made a simple Screw Jack by screwing a bolt into a Hexagonal Connector Nut (the sort that are used for joining two pieces of studding).

Obviously, the minimum space is the (length of nut + thickness of head of bolt) but it can be made as large as needed by using longer bolts.

I tidied it up by putting a taper on the top of the Connector and turned the top of the bolt round and knurled it (but mostly because I had made a knurling tool for my Taig Lathe and wanted to use it!).

.

[File HandleParticipant @filehandle]

The jaws of one of my woodworking vice twist, but I find it useful for holding pieces don't have parallel sides. It is a vice that I rescued 50 odd years ago, refitting the metalwork into 2 old oak (really hard) blocks. It does seem to have got looser over the years.
I have never worried about about side loading my main engineering vice (a record 112) never seen it as an issue. But I have used packing on some of my smaller ones.
Interestingly, having read the start of the thread I also thought of using a thread connector bolt as the basis for a jack. Also I remember reading about someone who made replacement vice jaws that extended sidewards for bending metal.The end of one was tapped so that they could be pulled together – if I remember they were 18" long. It occurred that a small extension to the jaws would all a bolt in a tapped hole to hold them apart.

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