Balzer relieving attachment working model

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

Being new to 3d printing (4 days in) and needing something interesting to really get stuck in to learning how to draw and print models I decided to see if I could produce a working model of the Balzer device. Here are the results. It's definitely a bit rough and ready, and a couple of things need a tweak here and there but it's a fully working model operated by the hand crank.

Hope you like it. I'll see if I can take a short video of it working. All-white is a bit of a devil to photograph I have found.

The gears took a bit of designing. One of them has two different DP teeth on the same gear and the small orbiting one has a different pressure angle to the other two, in order to make everything mesh.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Very clever, and nice work in the execution. Look forward to the video of it in action. I've looked at the patent drawings and description of its operation online but just can't get my head around exactly how it works without seeing it in action.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Nice exercise, Pete

+1 for the video request.

MichaelG.

[Brian WoodParticipant @brianwood45127]

Count me in too please, I couldn't figure out how Balzer got over the mismatch in tooth count. Very clever and nicely re-engineered

Brian

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Brian Wood on 11/12/2019 08:37:54:

Count me in too please, I couldn't figure out how Balzer got over the mismatch in tooth count. Very clever and nicely re-engineered

Brian

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Have a look at Ferguson’s Paradox, Brian.

One of the useful implementations of the idea was the dual-reading Imperial/Metric dials on some milling tables; which had 125 and 127 tooth internal gears.

MichaelG.

[Kiwi BlokeParticipant @kiwibloke62605]

Neat! I too will be waiting for the video!

'One of the useful implementations of the idea was the dual-reading Imperial/Metric dials on some milling tables; which had 125 and 127 tooth internal gears.' And, of course, Graham Meek's ingenious saddle handwheel dials (qv).

Edited By Kiwi Bloke on 11/12/2019 10:07:56

[Brian WoodParticipant @brianwood45127]

Thank you Michael, it never fails to impress me how far your knowledge base goes, I will follow that up.

Regards Brian

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

Posted by Hopper on 11/12/2019 07:30:58:

Very clever, and nice work in the execution. Look forward to the video of it in action. I've looked at the patent drawings and description of its operation online but just can't get my head around exactly how it works without seeing it in action.

The secret is in this gear, in the pic it's the one with the peg that stops it turning. The top half has 4 more teeth than the bottom half. Because the flying pinion HAS to mesh with both gears, the left gear is advanced 4 teeth during the bottom half of the rotation.

I originally printed the gears as 14.5PA but found that the teeth were too fine for the printer. Just like 3-d printed holes come out under-sized the teeth were slightly crowding into the gaps. I got over this by increasing the PA to 25 degrees which made the teeth more triangle-shaped, and printing the gears on a raft to raise them off the heated bed somewhat. Later I increased the PA of the bottom half teeth of the split gear even further to 30 degrees, to aid the meshing of the pinion over the mis-matched tooth size.

The actual cutting action is caused by the two end-pivots being off-set by 1mm so as the workpiece 'speeds up' it also moves towards the cutter,

 

Edited By Pete Rimmer on 11/12/2019 11:06:56

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Here’s an earlier thread : **LINK**

https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=143993

MichaelG.

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

Here's a link to the video of me working the model. Sorry about the white balance, it looked fine on my phone, only came out too white when I converted it for sharing.

Balzer Reliever

 

ARG, looks like dropbox has ruined the quality. I'll have to fix it later.

Edited By Pete Rimmer on 11/12/2019 14:11:22

[Brian WoodParticipant @brianwood45127]

Hello Pete,

I was able to view that just fine, it really is most ingenious and thank you for taking such considerable trouble in recreating it.

I imagine the 'tuning' of it to get the relieving action in the right part of the cycle is another carefully planned part in the manufacture of the eccentric shaft it all revolves on, just as it is in Eureka.

In full sized use for relieving actual cutters, I would expect gear wear to be pretty heavy. Do we know if it was ever used in anger?The alternative that Eureka was based on was used successfully but dropped out of favour when suitable relieving lathes became available where powered slides could be used to carve off metal.

Regards Brian

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

You're right about it would need careful timing Brian. I just used the orientation of the gear in the patent and though the motion is not perfect it's good enough to be indicative of the operation.

I never found any evidence of a real working one. It does have some limitations, such as it will only produce 15-tooth cutters unless you find another combination of gears that will work out to different number of tooth advancement whilst being close enough to a similar diameter that the meshing can be fudged by profile-shifting. I haven't looked at it closely but what little I have done suggest that there can't be too many options. The Eureka machine on the othr hand is very easy to change the tooth count, plus it doesn't suffer the problem of meshing mis-matched gears.

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

I've saved all the components now and just doing some test prints. Is anyone interested in either the Sketchup file or the .dae for their slicer? If so I can publish them, if I knew where the best place was to do it.

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

Hi Pete, great job on the 3D print of the Balzer device. I'd like to print one. You could share the STL and/or the STEP files of the device on Thingiverse, for all to see. You do have to join Thingiverse to do that but it is free, and membership there has been no hassle for me, so far, anyway. You can control whether others can alter and re-post the device there.

If that's not an option, you could just ask people to PM you with their email addresses and you could send stl and or step to them on an individual basis. In case you want to do that I'll PM you now. Thanks Jeff

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

Thanks Jeff for the compliment.

I've published the files on Thingiverse for anyone to download.

Balzer Reliever – Thingiverse

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

I used Pete's gcode file from Thingiverse to print a Balzer mechanism. Excellent quality print. Thanks again for sharing it Pete. As far as I know this is the first one printed in Waterloo Ontario Canada so I added a Canadian flag. Looking forward to assembling it in the shop later today.

There is a tiny bit of stringing around the raft base, but that is usual for my printer. The parts above the raft are very clean with minimal stringing and good strength. The white PLA used is not best quality, but works well enough.

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

Cool. I hope it goes together well. Once the small gear is fitted it doesn't come off again, and the winding handle is also easier to break than remove.

Please let us know how it assembles!

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

Hi Pete, finished assembly of my device today. Assembly went well and it operates just fine. I painted the "cutter" and "relieving tool" in silver plastic model paint to focus the eye of viewers on what is actually happening at the business end. Pic below. Once again a big thanks for sharing the gcode on Thingiverse.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Pete, any chance you could publish an STL of this?

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

I'm afraid not. I found online converters but have no way to test the output file so I'm loathe to just run it through the converter and share it.

Perhaps one of the other members can help? I don't mind adding the STL to the file list if someone tests it first. 'm sure that many other people would prefer that too.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

No problem Pete – thanks for trying.

I'll PM you

[Steve FParticipant @stevef]

Hi

You can open the file in Designspark and save as an stl.

Link to my OneDrive Here

hope it works

regards

Steve

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I’ve just viewed your stl in Safari on the iPad, Steve

Amazing what functionality has become commonplace over the last few years.

Thanks for sharing it.

MichaelG.

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

Thanks Steve. With your permission I'll add the file to the Thingiverse page.

I'll also install designspark, as it will run on my old 32bit Dell, so thanks again.

Edited By Pete Rimmer on 17/12/2019 00:02:28

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