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  • #37868
    Luker
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      #546184
      Luker
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        @luker

        Hi everyone. Here’s a little sneak peak of my next construction series… hopefully not much longer before it gets published.

        An exceptional video of the Ballaarat by Anthony Dawson (thanks to him for permission to embed it here)…

        #546209
        Meunier
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          @meunier

          …and no problems with having to remove the cab roof !
          DaveD

          #546224
          SillyOldDuffer
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            @sillyoldduffer

            Thanks for posting the video – fascinating connection between Wales and Australia, then and now.

            I wonder who the men in the photo are? Judging by how it's staged, with the shed door behind covered by a tarpaulin, I think this is the occasion of the engine being handed over to the customer. My guess is the men are posed in strict social hierarchy:

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            • Chap A, far left and as far away as possible from the others is a toff. Smart clothes, top hat and cane. I reckon he's from the company who sold the engine. Positioned there because the engine is no longer his.
            • B and C are also toffs. As they're dominant on the footplate I think they're the owners, possibly partners.
            • D's hat and relatively smart clothes below indicate middle class: he works for the men on the footplate, but although literally and socially underneath them, he's a man of substance. I think he's the manager.
            • E is next most important, but his dirty trousers show he's a working man, probably the driver.
            • F also has grubby trousers and is only just in the picture. His hat is common and he only has a waistcoat. I think he's the fireman.

            Dave

            #546233
            clivel
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              @clivel

              Fascinating video.
              Interesting to hear that Ballaarat is based on Dolgoch, especially as Dolgoch was renamed Pretoria from 1900 to 1914 in celebration of the taking of Pretoria by Lord Roberts during the Second Boer war.

              I doubt though, that this was a factor in your choice of prototype.

              Clive

              #546249
              Luker
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                @luker

                Yep this little loco is loads of fun on the track, and easy to drive (no pesky roof or cut-outs to take skin offcrying). She takes two large adults without slipping or complaining (haven’t connected another drive cart to see how many people she could carry). She has a constant lead valve gear so you just slip the reverser in full forward and you can forget about it until you parked in the station again. I haven’t found the valve gear to be lumpy (suppose that’s the benefits of dynamic simulations) and I can get my fingers between the cylinders for maintenance etc. I actually blew out one of the valve chest gaskets when I was (abusively) testing the loco and it was no issue to take the cover off and replace the gasket (just baking paper, no sealant) on the loco. I had forgotten to tighten two nuts and she still steamed for the rest of the day. Incidentally when I test a loco I do a proper job to make sure the design is sound.

                I like the analysis of the gents in the manufacturing yard picture! Seems like, even in those days the person that’ll do most of the work is furthest from the loco.

                Na, I just liked the look of that low pitched boiler and the odd valve gear. I actually didn’t know of the connection to Pretoria…

                I call this my COVID loco; it was designed and built in the first 9 months of 2020 when we had a very restrictive lockdown.

                #554913
                Luker
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                  @luker

                  Hi All, the first installment of the little Ballaarat is in the current issue. I'm quite excited about sharing this build! I hope everybody enjoys the series. Here's a small animation of the design. I removed the back panel to make the backhead more visible.

                  #556942
                  Luker
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                    @luker

                    Hi everyone, here's a video of the real Ballaarat resting in state…

                    Thanks to Jacquie for sending it through!

                    #556943
                    Luker
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                      @luker

                      And a video of the little one going around our little track…

                      #556993
                      Phil H1
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                        @philh196021

                        Thanks for posting. I have seen issue 1 of the build in the ME and I will definitely be following this with interest.

                        #557009
                        Rob McSweeney
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                          Anyone done a build cost estimate on Ballaarat yet?

                          #557020
                          Luker
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                            Posted by Rob McSweeney on 04/08/2021 14:21:52:

                            Anyone done a build cost estimate on Ballaarat yet?

                            I can’t help with exact costing because most of the materials came from scrap or left over stock from one of my previous builds. The design uses common bar stock and metric fasteners available from pretty much anywhere. The main items were as follows:

                            Laser cutting $138 (this includes the frames, linkages and boiler – laser cut and rolled)

                            Castings from scrap

                            All boiler fittings machined from risers or non-ferrous hex bar, depending on the position

                            All copper steam lines from refrigeration tubing

                            Paint – 2k automotive paint

                            I used a model engineering trade gauge someone gave me but this will be replaced as soon as I make a batch of gauges for my current loco.

                            #557058
                            Chris Perkins 3
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                              Watching with interest , love the idea of Metric Fasteners !

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                              Former Member
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                                #557062
                                Jon Lawes
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                                  @jonlawes51698

                                  Fantastic to see a new construction series. Once it's in ME, it's a part of history!

                                  #557065
                                  Jon Lawes
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                                    @jonlawes51698

                                    I've started a Wiki page on the SmallLiveSteamEngines site; I'll flesh it out as more information is forthcoming.

                                     

                                    https://smalllivesteamengines.fandom.com/wiki/Ballaarat_(5_Gauge)

                                    Edited By Jon Lawes on 04/08/2021 20:52:07

                                    #557093
                                    JasonB
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                                      Posted by Luker on 04/08/2021 15:59:20:

                                      Posted by Rob McSweeney on 04/08/2021 14:21:52:

                                      Anyone done a build cost estimate on Ballaarat yet?

                                      I can’t help with exact costing because most of the materials came from scrap or left over stock from one of my previous builds. The design uses common bar stock and metric fasteners available from pretty much anywhere. The main items were as follows:

                                      Laser cutting $138 (this includes the frames, linkages and boiler – laser cut and rolled)

                                      Castings from scrap

                                      All boiler fittings machined from risers……………………………….

                                       

                                      The "Castings" are likely to be where the costs and work are for those that do not have the facility to cast their own like you do so will either have to make patterns to have the parts cast or fabricate/cut from solid presumably from bronze which could be costly. They also won't have any risers as a material source.

                                      Will the drawings have sufficient dimensions of the "cast" surfaces so that builders can make patterns, fabricate or cut from solid as it's usual to just dimension the machined features for cast parts?

                                      Though some of this could be offset by getting a hacksaw and file out rather than laser cuttingwink

                                      Edited By JasonB on 05/08/2021 07:45:20

                                      #557159
                                      Luker
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                                        @luker

                                        Thanks guys; Jon I like the wiki page!

                                        Jason; there should be enough dimensions to make patterns. If any are missing it wasn't intentional. I have no doubt that there is no casting I can come up with that you can't fabricate! But for the average builder or even the beginner I don't think any of the parts will pose much of a problem (to fabricate). The cylinders will require a decent torch, and some of the detail can be left out to simplify.

                                        With the price of hacksaw blades and files I think the laser cutting comes out cheaper, I’ve started cutting up my old band saw blades to make hacksaw blades… laugh

                                        #557330
                                        Phil H1
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                                          @philh196021

                                          I would have thought that the wheels can be taken from another design? Maybe even the cylinders too? There is bound to be an engine out there already with similar sizing?

                                          #557356
                                          Luker
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                                            @luker
                                            Posted by Phil H1 on 06/08/2021 20:25:04:

                                            I would have thought that the wheels can be taken from another design? Maybe even the cylinders too? There is bound to be an engine out there already with similar sizing?

                                            I think you may find similar castings, any inside frame Stephenson 5g model with similar bore and stroke could probably be modified. The cylinder castings and cylinders are shown below. The fancy cutouts around the steam ports are only to improve the castability, and aren't necessary (besides these are at the bottom and on the large loco this was covered in cladding).

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                                            #557357
                                            Luker
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                                              @luker

                                              One casting that might be difficult to find is the smokebox door, but this could easily be built up or machined from a disk. The cutout at the bottom is something unique.

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                                              #557358
                                              Luker
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                                                @luker

                                                The valve glands on the steam chest as well as the piston side cylinder cover has some interesting detail…

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                                                #557543
                                                geoff walker 1
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                                                  Luker, that's a fine little engine you've made and in such a short space of time. Enjoyed the video doesn't she run well.

                                                  If I was 30 odd years younger I'd be tempted to have a go, but not now, not enough time and too many other things to do.

                                                  In the 20 or so years I have been visiting Australia I have been to the coastal town of Busselton on many occasions. First spotted the full size Ballaarat in 2018 not longer after it took pride of place in the visitor centre. A handsome engine beautifully restored. At the time I commented that it would be suitable for modelling and low and behold here we are. I like others will enjoy you're build series.

                                                  Are you an Aussie Luker? All the best

                                                  Geoff

                                                  #557565
                                                  Luker
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                                                    @luker
                                                    Posted by geoff walker 1 on 08/08/2021 14:35:27:

                                                    Luker, that's a fine little engine you've made and in such a short space of time. Enjoyed the video doesn't she run well.

                                                    If I was 30 odd years younger I'd be tempted to have a go, but not now, not enough time and too many other things to do.

                                                    In the 20 or so years I have been visiting Australia I have been to the coastal town of Busselton on many occasions. First spotted the full size Ballaarat in 2018 not longer after it took pride of place in the visitor centre. A handsome engine beautifully restored. At the time I commented that it would be suitable for modelling and low and behold here we are. I like others will enjoy you're build series.

                                                    Are you an Aussie Luker? All the best

                                                    Geoff

                                                    Thanks Geoff, she is a lot of fun on the track. One of the benefits of virtually checking everything before building it. No I'm not from Aus but I have done work there. Some of the local vernacular was used in the series to make it more interesting. I hope you and the readers find the series of interest. It’s always tricky writing a construction series; I try to keep it interesting enough so that non-builders won’t get bored.

                                                    I was invited to the 150 Year anniversary this year in Busselton, but unfortunately I could not attend. Maybe one day I'll get to see the old girl!

                                                    #558635
                                                    Luker
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                                                      @luker

                                                      For everyone following the Ballaarat construction series here's a nice video showing the frames and linkage in motion.

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