Aircraft General Discussion

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

No room or time for a project, but a Bolkow 208 was the first aircraft I certified independently as a new qualified licenced aircraft engineer.
I also wound Richard Noble up no end by suggesting the ARV Super 2 looked like a 208

Robert G8RPI.

[ChrisBParticipant @chrisb35596]

Posted by Buffer on 19/06/2021 23:01:58:

Jon

Airbus 320 have a park brake that is only 12 inches away from the engine start switch and its a rotary knob that turns the same way. As engines are started during pushback guess how many people have set the park brake while being pushed back and nearly killed the tug driver when the nose gear comes through his windscreen. The list of cock ups like this would fill a book.

Any way Rob is quite right to wait for the report but here's some pure speculation.

I have not seen the accident reports but mistaking the parking brake for the mode selector is a lame excuse if you ask me. Had it been mistaken for the rudder trim switch which lives between the mode selector and the parking brake would have been more plausable. The parking brake is a pull and turn switch so its not really the same.

It's so easy to blame the aircraft but in reality it's over confidence and non adherance to procedures the main cause for these mishaps.

[BufferParticipant @buffer]

It probably has been mistaken for the rudder trim many times I suspect but that wont put a nose gear through a tug windscreen so we probably dont hear about it. You can imagine the report cant you. Pilot trims rudder during push back. Big deal. It's so easy to blame the pilots but in reality it could be flight 4 on day 5 of a busy summer, lots of minimum rest and roster changes aircraft swaps etc. Funny I've not seen it on a 737, maybe all the over confident non conforming pilots fly Airbus. Or maybe it's because the 737 you need to push your feet down first then pull back the park brake lever next to your arse and the start switch is on the ceiling.

[Jon LawesParticipant @jonlawes51698]

This thread always seems to turn into Career Top Trumps, with bonus points for clanging name drops.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

As an occasional airline passenger (pre pandemic) all this has just about put me off ever flying again and made me glad the flight paths are not directly over my house!

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

I have two left hand drive cars and one right hand drive – Do I get confused as to where the gear stick is or the ignition key/switch etc. You bet your life I do, but never seen any manufacturer issue tech bulletins as to how to avoid these confusions. So far never confused between the diesel ones and the petrol but …..!

Bob

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Posted by Jon Lawes on 20/06/2021 22:56:56:

This thread always seems to turn into Career Top Trumps, with bonus points for clanging name drops.

If you don't like it, why are you reading it?

Robert G8RPI

[JAParticipant @ja]

Posted by Jon Lawes on 20/06/2021 22:56:56:

This thread always seems to turn into Career Top Trumps, with bonus points for clanging name drops.

I am trying to work out what a clanging name drop is if only to claim more points.

JA

[mike TParticipant @miket56243]

There was at 40,000 feet with nothing on the clock but the makers name.

Suddenly I heard this laud clanging noise and the makers name had disappeared……………..

M

[Nigel McBurney 1Participant @nigelmcburney1]

Myself and a friend were in Petersfield Hampshire on this last wednesday, we heard a hell of a roar from a fairly low flying aircraft and along came a VC10, fuselage was painted but could not make out any detail as it almost directly overhead, a quick Google indicated that the last one had flown several years ago,but an airworthy VC10 was possibly up for sale last year.It was so nice to see and hear one of these aircraft again, We are not that far from Lasham airodrome so does anyone know if is based there,or going for maintenance as they used to maintain them there a long time ago.

[Richard S2Participant @richards2]

VC!0 eh!. Envious of your experience. Loved the sound of those 4 Conways crackling on a cold clear frosty morning at Gatwick in the 70s/80s. Lovely spacious Flt Deck with a panoramic view. But probably a contributor to my having to live with Tinnitus now.

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

As an apprentice at Weybridge, I was lucky enough to "Drive" one. We were taking one out to the engine test park. It was shunted up against the 4 huge "Cullham Mufflers". My job was to sit in the captains's seat with headphones on, not to tough anything until the order came for "Brakes On". – I only had a single test flight in the Vickers Commercial 10 – Stall tests over the Bristol Channel !! Ouuupps, any paper bags on board ?

Incidentally, the BAC 1-11 was the 1st BAC design but the 11th Vickers Commercial (BAC 1-11). Although never built, there were projects for the BAC 2-11 and BAC 3-11.

Bob

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

the only two "likely" to return to flight are at Bruntingthorpe, one has its engines and other parts removed, the other one is able to run up its engines but word is the only way they will leave Bruntithorpe is on trucks particularly as the owner of the site is reclaiming the use of the runway for storage.

None of the vintage aviation press have mentioned any attempt to put one back in the sky.

Martin P

[RMAParticipant @rma]

Posted by martin perman on 25/06/2021 16:12:21:

the only two "likely" to return to flight are at Bruntingthorpe, one has its engines and other parts removed, the other one is able to run up its engines but word is the only way they will leave Bruntithorpe is on trucks particularly as the owner of the site is reclaiming the use of the runway for storage.

None of the vintage aviation press have mentioned any attempt to put one back in the sky.

Martin P

Russian copy maybe?

[Swarf MakerParticipant @swarfmaker85383]

I think that what you actually saw Nigel, was a 727 out of Lasham. A particularly noisy example left the airfield and headed south over Petersfield on Wednesday, staying significantly lower than normal. It was the only local large aircraft movement that day.

[Andrew TinsleyParticipant @andrewtinsley63637]

The trouble is that you have to read a post before you know it contains B/S. I have used the ignore button so won't be afflicted again.

Andrew.

[Swarf MakerParticipant @swarfmaker85383]

Well it would certainly be good to know what I have said to offend Andrew Tinsley! I have flown out of Lasham for many years and the aircraft servicing company that operates there have mainly been focussed on Boeing aircraft for very many years. In that time many 727's have flown in and out, some of which are privately owned by the likes of pop groups and high flying (literally) personages. A 'heavy' departed there on Wednesday and flew directly overhead, heading south, so Petersfield would be almost directly ahead. By the time I had gone out to see what was making the racket it was a tail-end view and appeared to be a 727, and with that amount of noise, not unusual for the type! Since I can only report what I believe to be true in that hope that I might have helped, in this case Nigel McBurney1, I am surprised to have this categorised as B/S by a member who had not been a respondent to the query that I was answering.

It would have been much more useful if Andrew Tinsley could explain what my error of observation had been and then we all could have shared in and learnt from his knowledge.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Posted by Swarf Maker on 25/06/2021 21:02:42:

I think that what you actually saw Nigel, was a 727 out of Lasham. A particularly noisy example left the airfield and headed south over Petersfield on Wednesday, staying significantly lower than normal. It was the only local large aircraft movement that day.

Wow I did a double take there until i realised i was confusing Lasham with Lashenden (also known as Headcorn) which is a small grass field that was run on a hit-and-miss basis as to whether you'd get a radio reply.

pgk

[Anonymous]

Posted by Swarf Maker on 25/06/2021 23:52:47:

Well it would certainly be good to know what I have said to offend Andrew Tinsley!

Wouldn't we all like to know. He made a slightly intemperate post in another thread at about the same time. So may be he was having a bad day?

Andrew

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

Maybe a return to the original subject ( possible erroneous fitting of aircraft components) would help.

The Westland Whirlwind, and derivatives, had been in service for decades before it was (spectacularly !) discovered that it was possible to fit the tail rotor in reverse. Aerodynamics work much better in one direction !

rgds

Bill

[Andrew TinsleyParticipant @andrewtinsley63637]

Hello Swarf Maker,

My comment wasn't about you. Apologies if I my post offended you, it was intended for someone else entirely.

Andrew.

Edited By Andrew Tinsley on 26/06/2021 09:58:36

[JC54Participant @jc54]

Superb day today, Spitfire doing aerobatics nearly over the village, then a flyover by the Dakota. A couple of other 2nd WW type aircraft flew over but beyond my limited knowledge for identity. Still watching for the Lancaster, not seen or heard it this year yet.

[Martin ConnellyParticipant @martinconnelly55370]

I spotted the Dakota flying low near my house this afternoon when just about to turn into my road about 13:25. 

Martin C

Edited By Martin Connelly on 08/07/2021 17:43:44

[DrDaveParticipant @drdave]

The first scheduled flight that I took was on a Dakota. Every time I see one flying, it makes me feel old…

[noel shelleyParticipant @noelshelley55608]

Me To Dr Dave, we lived in Jersey in the early 50s. Noel.

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