Adcock Shipley 1ES disassembly

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

Hi

At some point in the near future I have to disassemble my 1ES into manageable chunks in order to get it down the side of the house and into garage.

im thinking, table off, overarm off, motor out, then removing main column from base. Anyone have experience taking the 1ES apart. I’m sure I could work it out but any help/things to avoid doing would be greatly appreciated

thanks

jay

[Pete WhiteParticipant @petewhite15172]

I have moved mine twice, as it was, once from the original factory to my first workshop and then to present workshop, never even considered going technical? Rollers and blocks winced onto a plant trailer ?

Its nuts and bolts, as it was made, should not be over technical ?

Don't over think it lol.

Others may have more advice akin to present days, not moved mine for 35 years, son in laws problem next time, skip lifter next to the melting pot maybe lol

Pete

[Robert ButlerParticipant @robertbutler92161]

Jason

Try and move without dismantling, rebuilding will be more difficult than dismantling.

Robert Butler

[AJAXParticipant @ajax]

Posted by jason evans on 04/09/2023 19:31:23:

Hi

At some point in the near future I have to disassemble my 1ES into manageable chunks in order to get it down the side of the house and into garage.

im thinking, table off, overarm off, motor out, then removing main column from base. Anyone have experience taking the 1ES apart. I’m sure I could work it out but any help/things to avoid doing would be greatly appreciated

thanks

jay

I bolted mine down to two wooden "skids". That way I can slide a pallet truck under and scoot it around to wherever I need, singlehandedly. Depending on your route this may work for you.

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

Thanks. It’s not really the moving of it that’s the problem, it just won’t physically fit down my side entrance as it is.

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

Thanks. It’s not really the moving of it that’s the problem, it just won’t physically fit down my side entrance as it is.

I had to do the same with my centec mill and Chipmaster lathe.

Edited By jason evans on 04/09/2023 22:46:37

[Pete WhiteParticipant @petewhite15172]

So taking the motor out or removing the column will not help then?

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Just remove those parts that prevent it fitting within the access. No point in totally dismantling if actually unnecessary.

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

The base is too wide to fit through so will have to go in it’s side

so might be able to leave motor in, but column would have to come off

[Clive BarkerParticipant @clivebarker72854]

I recently dismantled an A&S 1AG on my own and loaded into a van using a engine hoist (with a little help towards the end). The most difficult part was lifting the cast iron base into the back of the van. It was heavy and a little too wide for the engine hoist feet – but I managed. It would have been easier had I not had a time limit ie a return ferry booking followed by a long drive. Removal from the van and reassembly with plenty of time was no problem. It helped me to identify a few issues to deal with.

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

Posted by Clive Barker on 05/09/2023 17:05:55:

I recently dismantled an A&S 1AG on my own and loaded into a van using a engine hoist (with a little help towards the end). The most difficult part was lifting the cast iron base into the back of the van. It was heavy and a little too wide for the engine hoist feet – but I managed. It would have been easier had I not had a time limit ie a return ferry booking followed by a long drive. Removal from the van and reassembly with plenty of time was no problem. It helped me to identify a few issues to deal with.

How many parts did you break it down into Clive, I’ve had another measure up and might get away with just taking the table off, but it’s going to be tight.

[Pete WhiteParticipant @petewhite15172]

Posted by jason evans on 05/09/2023 17:10:02:

Posted by Clive Barker on 05/09/2023 17:05:55:

I’ve had another measure up and might get away with just taking the table off, but it’s going to be tight.

I 've just got to know lol , how wide is the alley way.

Good Luck

Pete

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

Posted by Pete White on 05/09/2023 17:35:50:

Posted by jason evans on 05/09/2023 17:10:02:

Posted by Clive Barker on 05/09/2023 17:05:55:

I’ve had another measure up and might get away with just taking the table off, but it’s going to be tight.

I 've just got to know lol , how wide is the alley way.

Good Luck

Pete

about 30” same as the base. Where there is the Will lol

[Pete WhiteParticipant @petewhite15172]

I didn't think the base of the mill was that big, don't know, you have a machine and an alley way to measure accurately.

"about 30” same as the base", need to be accurate here I think.

Good Luck Again,

Pete

[Pete WhiteParticipant @petewhite15172]

I didn't think the base of the mill was that big, don't know, you have a machine and an alley way to measure accurately.

"about 30” same as the base", need to be accurate here I think.

As often happens we don't get the full exact information to help. The pipe? proper measurement?, who owns what? your skill level?

Good Luck Again,

Pete

[Clive BarkerParticipant @clivebarker72854]

I dismantled most of the machine in this order: Removal of vertical head, table leadscrew, table, table base with gearbox, cross-feed, knee (which had to be removed vertically), motor, feed pulley, countershaft, electrical gear, disconnection of coolant pipework, and finally separation of the column from the base. I didn't remove the rear bearing cover or disturb the gearbox. Reassembly was straightforward. Hope you find the best solution for you!

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

Posted by Clive Barker on 05/09/2023 20:02:14:

I dismantled most of the machine in this order: Removal of vertical head, table leadscrew, table, table base with gearbox, cross-feed, knee (which had to be removed vertically), motor, feed pulley, countershaft, electrical gear, disconnection of coolant pipework, and finally separation of the column from the base. I didn't remove the rear bearing cover or disturb the gearbox. Reassembly was straightforward. Hope you find the best solution for you!

Thanks Clive that’s the sort of info I’m after

cheers

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

well I’ve got it this far, not quite sure how the knee comes off without taking spindle out though.

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

A long overdue update.

ended up taking the column off with knee attached. Base got through alley ok on its side. Spent a while refurbing, but all together and up and running. Very nice machine, great for most jobs really do miss a quill though. May look into trying to fit a Bridgeport J head at some point.

jay

[derek hall 1Participant @derekhall1]

I used to have one of these, I looked for a Bridgeport head but found they were very rare, expensive and the total machine height would have been too tall for my workshop.

Ended up selling it, it can really shift metal though!

I ripped out all the electric gubbins and installed an invertor.

[Phil PParticipant @philp]

Many years ago I did that mod on my 1ES, I made a pattern and had a bracket cast. I did not make it so that it would swivel to keep it as simple as possible. I have to agree it was very tall and the single garage roof was actually touching the top of the motor with just a thin sheet of rubber in between.
With the vertical head mounted like that you could push the overarm right back and fit the original vertical geared head, or even use it pulled right out for horizontal milling.
The machining of the overarm to accept my bracket was done on the machine itself to ensure it had a flat face to mount onto. I included a couple of jacking screws to push against the end of the overarm to minimise any sagging due to the weight of the head.
It was quite a useful machine set up like that, and I would probably still have it had I not inherited my Alexander Master Toolmaker when dad died.

 

 

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

Yes it’s a nice sturdy machine and can chomp away at steel quite comfortably, I’ve also bypassed the electrics and run it off an inverter.
Thanks for the pics that’s exactly what I was thinking about doing but will also have to check height so it fits ok. Nicely done though so you could still use the original vertical head 👍🏻

would also be nice to have more space from spindle to bed too

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

Hi

Have just picked up a 2hp Bridgeport Vari speed J head for a great price. Needs an overhaul and motor needs a new spindle, but got myself a nice winter project (autumn actually) 😬

jay

[jason evansParticipant @jasonevans10206]

Stripped the Bridgeport head. Motor rebuilt with new spindle and bearings, runs very quiet. Teflon bushes were buggered on the motor pulley, so have remade some out of Delrin. Quill housing cleaned up and painted. Waiting on spindle bearings now.

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