A listing of potential helpers

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

John I don't know how one member would e-mail another apart from if they respond to a free wanted addand we certainly would not be able to see any e-mail activity.

 

Edited By JasonB on 20/12/2017 14:19:23

[ken king, King DesignParticipant @kenkingkingdesign]

Hello Michael,

I suspect you are not alone in wondering how I am coping with the flood of work coming in. Let me answer your question and by so doing, put into perspective for readers and Moderators alike, the scale of my operations.

Since starting the thread I have received ONE enquiry which has resulted in an order for some simple undercarriage legs; value – less than £100. This may or may not have been a result of the thread, but possibly from some other source, I don't know which.

I had one other enquiry from a gentleman who makes replacement parts for a well-known brand of sports car, asking if I might help with machining, but that looks unlikely.

That's it.

In the meantime, and completely unrelated, I've had a repeat request, from a long-established client , to machine a regulator casting and make some associated small parts; value again about £100. I also made some small parts for this client back in June.

Prior to that, the last job was for a modeller in Thailand, started in February, but only finished in July, as I was asked to work in stages to suit his pension budget.

Hardly the flood you and others were perhaps anticipating, but that is the activity level of this market. I will add that my empire comprises a shed 10' x 12', into which I have crammed my old Myford ML7, an equally old Centec mill, a workbench with vise and pillar drill, a tool cabinet, metal storage on shelves and in a filing cabinet, and other odds and ends. Hardly an industrial unit is it ?

I am awaiting an explanation of the glaring contradiction between Neil's rules specifying the use of free classifieds for private individuals selling their services (which is what I do) and the denial of those free classifieds to myself. I hope that by making it abundantly clear that I am indeed a very small operator the Moderators will accept that I am being unjustly penalised and have the courage to admit it.

Please note, this thread was not intended to be about me alone, hence my suggestion of a directory of potential helpers. I'm only trying to bring together those requiring help and those able to offer it .

Regards,

Ken

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by ken king, King Design on 20/12/2017 14:17:47:

I am awaiting an explanation of the glaring contradiction between Neil's rules specifying the use of free classifieds for private individuals selling their services (which is what I do) and the denial of those free classifieds to myself. I hope that by making it abundantly clear that I am indeed a very small operator the Moderators will accept that I am being unjustly penalised and have the courage to admit it.

I think you have misread Rules, no body is allowed to use the classifieds for commercial gain but I'll leave it to Neil to confirm

"Classified adverts are for the use of private individuals. For trade sales please contact Ben Rayment ben.rayment@myhobbystore.com or telephone 01689 899280."

For the intents of this discussion anyone offering a service is regarded as trading.

Edited By JasonB on 20/12/2017 14:32:19

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

Ken, I have no idea of the quality of your work (and no wish to find out) but if it is on a par with your bloody-minded determination to attempt to extract 'something for nothing' from this forum, you appear to be well placed!

As has been pointed out, the Ts & Cs are pretty clear but your ability to understand clear English seems not to be on a par with your professed engineering skills. The 'I want' syndrome seems to be ever more present in some of today's society.

Now where's that 'ignore member' button!

rgds

Bill

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

Posted by ken king, King Design on 20/12/2017 14:17:47:

Please note, this thread was not intended to be about me alone, hence my suggestion of a directory of potential helpers. I'm only trying to bring together those requiring help and those able to offer it .

Regards,

Ken

Gentlemen,

I have followed this thread with a little interest but have not been able to take part and maybe the next few words may seem simplistic but why do we need a list of willing helpers when one already exists, its called this Forum, individuals come on here daily ask a question and in some form get the answer, until I retired this year I've been in engineering all my life, make my own parts for my hobbies etc but I still learn stuff daily on here surely that's enough.

Martin P

[David Standing 1Participant @davidstanding1]

Posted by ken king, King Design on 20/12/2017 14:17:47:

Hello Michael,

I suspect you are not alone in wondering how I am coping with the flood of work coming in. Let me answer your question and by so doing, put into perspective for readers and Moderators alike, the scale of my operations.

Since starting the thread I have received ONE enquiry which has resulted in an order for some simple undercarriage legs; value – less than £100. This may or may not have been a result of the thread, but possibly from some other source, I don't know which.

I had one other enquiry from a gentleman who makes replacement parts for a well-known brand of sports car, asking if I might help with machining, but that looks unlikely.

That's it.

In the meantime, and completely unrelated, I've had a repeat request, from a long-established client , to machine a regulator casting and make some associated small parts; value again about £100. I also made some small parts for this client back in June.

Prior to that, the last job was for a modeller in Thailand, started in February, but only finished in July, as I was asked to work in stages to suit his pension budget.

Hardly the flood you and others were perhaps anticipating, but that is the activity level of this market. I will add that my empire comprises a shed 10' x 12', into which I have crammed my old Myford ML7, an equally old Centec mill, a workbench with vise and pillar drill, a tool cabinet, metal storage on shelves and in a filing cabinet, and other odds and ends. Hardly an industrial unit is it ?

I am awaiting an explanation of the glaring contradiction between Neil's rules specifying the use of free classifieds for private individuals selling their services (which is what I do) and the denial of those free classifieds to myself. I hope that by making it abundantly clear that I am indeed a very small operator the Moderators will accept that I am being unjustly penalised and have the courage to admit it.

Please note, this thread was not intended to be about me alone, hence my suggestion of a directory of potential helpers. I'm only trying to bring together those requiring help and those able to offer it .

Regards,

Ken

You just aren't getting the message, are you?

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

Posted by Cornish Jack on 20/12/2017 14:31:54:

Ken, I have no idea of the quality of your work (and no wish to find out) but if it is on a par with your bloody-minded determination to attempt to extract 'something for nothing' from this forum, you appear to be well placed!

As has been pointed out, the Ts & Cs are pretty clear but your ability to understand clear English seems not to be on a par with your professed engineering skills. The 'I want' syndrome seems to be ever more present in some of today's society.

Now where's that 'ignore member' button!

rgds

Bill

Well said. I couldn't agree more

Jim

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by John Flack on 20/12/2017 14:06:22:

Jason b……. Still not clear on the policy……..are you saying that a forum member who emails another to do paid work is NOT advertising his availability for GAIN. The legal profession may just have an alternative view on that. Jf

John,

Advertisement: a notice or announcement in a public medium promoting a product, service, or event or publicizing a job vacancy.

Individual private emails or messages are NOT advertising, although blanket 'spamming' of forum members would be (and result in immediate order of the boot).

Neil

[John FlackParticipant @johnflack59079]

David Standing…… Please take care with advice. Any person who sets out rules and condition can be challenged (unfair conditions, discrimination, violation of human rights) are a remedy available to all. Drawing lines creating inclusion/exclusion can cause those excluded seeking redress via the courts and it tends to get "silly" as I have pointed out earlier being professional(In the legal sense) has a presumed duty of care to get the details spot on, in legal terms, hence the detail in some of my earlier posts. If I were to ask if various terms have been examined by a legal specialist I wonder what the answer would be? The easy way is not always best a simple error however well intentioned could void personal and company liability insurance leaving individuals to face the judiciary system at some enormous cost to their lives.

I am only some old guy with some ,now, indistict letters after my name. Taking a chance is an option or risk

In reflective mood ……I have spent the first 40 years worrying about the older generation…..and the second 40 years worrying about the younger generation and they now have pills for another 40 years……..

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

FOR ABSOLUTE CLARITY

I don't make the rules, I do have to interpret them.

If people think dancing around the semantics of what individual clauses may or may not mean, they are sorely mistaken. Despite my far-famed reputation for patience and even-handness, in these season of goodwill, this debate is sorely trying my capacity to remain civil.

Please just accept the situation as you find it; further attempts to bludgeon me to make the situation conform to how people WANT it to be rather than how it IS will not be welcomed.

The truth is that, in practice, it is an inconvenience for Ken and maybe a tiny handful of other individuals who probably wouldn't even have considered promoting themselves in this way if Ken hadn't raised it. If there were twenty or thirty people seeking such a service, then it could be considered.

There is a place for a basic listing at the link below, I'm sure if Ken or anyone else contacts David Holden they will find it is very reasonably priced.

http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/shopping/

Neil.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Ketan's post of earlier today (11:52) sets out exactly how I would expect the system to operate.

From time to time, probably, everyone of us has either helped, or been helped by, a fellow Model Engineer (whether by advising, physically helping, doing the job, or lending tooling) Which is in the spirit of things, as I see it.

If a gift has been given, in all probability it it did not cover the cost of materials, or let alone the time involved. This is merely expressing gratitude for the help given, and I see nothing wrong in that.

However, to seek business on here is, quite rightly, against the T & Cs. Doing a favour is quite different from accepting payment for labour / overheads. If the payment does not cover costs of material / labour / overheads, then the business is probably doomed to failure. BUT by accepting payment, it is a business, (even if badly run), and should not use this Forum to seek work.

That's my two penn'orth.

Howard

[David Standing 1Participant @davidstanding1]

Posted by John Flack on 20/12/2017 15:19:25:

David Standing…… Please take care with advice. Any person who sets out rules and condition can be challenged (unfair conditions, discrimination, violation of human rights) are a remedy available to all. Drawing lines creating inclusion/exclusion can cause those excluded seeking redress via the courts and it tends to get "silly" as I have pointed out earlier being professional(In the legal sense) has a presumed duty of care to get the details spot on, in legal terms, hence the detail in some of my earlier posts. If I were to ask if various terms have been examined by a legal specialist I wonder what the answer would be? The easy way is not always best a simple error however well intentioned could void personal and company liability insurance leaving individuals to face the judiciary system at some enormous cost to their lives.

I am only some old guy with some ,now, indistict letters after my name. Taking a chance is an option or risk

In reflective mood ……I have spent the first 40 years worrying about the older generation…..and the second 40 years worrying about the younger generation and they now have pills for another 40 years……..

John

My background for 40 years + until last year, was corporate insolvency and debt collection, much of it with a law background requiring knowledge of numerous areas of legislation.

In retirement I am a Trustee of a large pension scheme, again requiring knowledge of various areas of legislation.

I say that not to be big headed, i say it purely to mention I have more than a good working understanding of the law in many areas.

And the point of this post is, you have completely lost me with your post above, what is all that about – where was I giving advice?!

[David Standing 1Participant @davidstanding1]

Anyway, this thread has probably run its course now, I am off out to the garage to make some (non profit making…..) swarf

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

I congratulate Neil on his patience!!!

Dave W

[ken king, King DesignParticipant @kenkingkingdesign]

Neil says 'PRIVATE SALES OF GOODS AND SERVICES SHOULD BE MADE USING THE FREE CLASSIFIEDS'.

I would like to do that, as I used to. There's no 'dancing around semantics', or me failing 'to get it'.

The end.

My sincere wish for a Merry Christmas to one and all.

[Ian Skeldon 2Participant @ianskeldon2]

The names on my ignore list is growing, is there a limit to the number that I can add

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I have Just amended the wording in Neil's opening post of the Help and Assistance topic to now read:

PRIVATE SALES OF GOODS SHOULD BE MADE USING THE FREE CLASSIFIEDS.

I hope this will end any confusion and am now going to lock the thread until Neil has had a chance to confirm my alteration is OK and he may also wish to add to this thread.

Jason

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