A couple of engines to identify

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

My mate Mat has got a couple more little steam engines for his museum, I think the first one is a Stuart Turner 10H, The second one I thought was a 10V, butit is not, it's about the same size, but instead of a trunk guide it has a slipper guide, and the mounting og the cylinder is different with a casting on one side, and a steel strut on the other, couldn't find it on Google this afternoon, got the photos out of order, sorry about the rubbish in the background, the place is full of motor bikes.

Edited By Ian S C on 16/11/2015 13:52:17

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

As well as these two engines, there is this boiler, it may be a ST boiler, it is 12" from the floor to the top of the boiler shell. The water gauge tube is broken, and the bush in the top where the boiler is filled is loose, I think it had been soft soldered in place.The twin flywheels behind the chimney belong to a small hot air engine

[MichaelRParticipant @michaelr]

The vertical looks like a Stuart No 1.

Mike.

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

The last bit for tonight is this little steam hammer, could be Mamod or similar. There is a dynamo (probably home made), but I have not down loaded it yet. Ian S C

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Stuart No 1 for the vertical engine and Stuart No 8 for the horizontal.

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Norman

[Nick_GParticipant @nick_g]

Posted by MichaelR on 16/11/2015 14:03:18:

The vertical looks like a Stuart No 1.

Mike.

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I agree. But.!

If that boiler is 12" tall as Ian says it's much too small to be a No.1

Nick

[EdHParticipant @edh]

With 4 bolts to the steam chest the horizontal would be a 10H 3/4” x 3/4” bore and stroke

and the vertical also with 4 bolts an early No7 1” x 1” bore and stroke according to a facsimile of the 1906 Stuart Turner catalogue I have. Don’t know when they changed the standard from the ones seen here to a fully cast version.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

As Nick says its too small for a No 1, looks to use similar cast eccentric and cast conrod to the 10 series. May even be a home modified one but without scrarching some paint off the cast base or standard hard to tell, It would not be the only "small No1" to have been made

Can't see it listed on Station Road Steam

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

The early No 10V used a similar construction to the No 1 but was the much smaller No 10 size of engine. I saw a set of castings for this engine on EBay a few months back.

[MichaelRParticipant @michaelr]

I agree. But.!

If that boiler is 12" tall as Ian says it's much too small to be a No.1

Nick

You are right, my powers of observation are slipping the No 1 at 13" high and with a 2" bore is going to need a good steam supply, so what boiler size ??

Mike.

[Graham FlavellParticipant @grahamflavell13482]

Ian,

David is correct it is an early version of the 10V. Here is one I restored a few years ago. It would be nice if someone could tell us when this design was replaced by the current design with a trunk.

Graham

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

For now I'll say the vertical is an early 10V, the plate on the steam chest doesn't have a S on it, but that's no worry, some people machine the S off, or in it's long life a new plate may have been fitted.  I did mention it, but this motor has a slipper guide, compared to the modern 10V with a trunk guide.

Mat's getting a collection of ST engines, those two, and a Progress SV. Must get an updated photo, this is how it was, not in running order. I cleaned it up, got it mechanically OK, mounted it on a better base, but we left it looking outwardly pretty much as you see it. When the S9 was stolen, this one was sitting next to it, and not touched. With a 1/2" bore, and 3/4" stroke, its a nice little engine. Ian S C

Edited By Ian S C on 17/11/2015 09:28:14

[Ian RobertsParticipant @ianroberts40159]

Posted by Graham Flavell on 16/11/2015 18:18:54:

Ian,

David is correct it is an early version of the 10V. Here is one I restored a few years ago. It would be nice if someone could tell us when this design was replaced by the current design with a trunk.

Graham

1932. Another Ian.

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

So, has anyone got the catalogue page from prior to 1932 with this engine on it that they can post here? Or better still a copy of the drawings. Should not be too difficult to recreate one by fabricating the cylinder support and column. It would be outside the copyright date so permissible to publish it.

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

I don't know much about boilers, so I'm going to recommend that it not be used, and the engine be run on compressed air. The boiler could be as old as the 10V, so at over 80 years old, it should have a rest, it would need to be inspected by someone qualified to do so.

Thanks lads for all the info so far.

Ian S C

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