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  • #765755
    JasonB
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      @jasonb

      Following the recent thread about the Stuart Dynamo I finally got round to testing a 775 motor to see if it would be worth using as the basis for a dynamo that could be driven off a typical model steam engine. Well the results are in and I can reveal  IT WILL.

      So the lash up consists of:

      My first steam model in the form of a Stuart 10V running on air at 30psi I’m sure I could build a better running one now.

      12V 3W LED cabinet light

      775 Motor with a bit of scrap ali bar and two O rings to pick up drive from the 10V flywheel.

      I’m not too worried about volts and amps as like most people I’ll be happy that the lamp lights up.

      So time to develop this a bit more and then make some swarf. There should be no need to extend the shafts as I’ll be cutting down the motor’s can so the brushes can be seen

      775 dyno 1

      775 dyno 2

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      #765792
      noel shelley
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        @noelshelley55608

        You’ve beaten me to it Jason ! I got hold of 2 775s, an ordinary one for about £9 and one with shafts at both ends for £14 in case I need the longer shaft. I have both a Stuart No 1 and a D10 and so feel happy I have the power. I will aim to use steel scaffold tube as the casing, removing the outer sleeve magnet keeper to reduce the OD to 42ishmm. A pair of cast caps modified will make the ends, but due to the positioning of the magnets only 2 through bolts can be used. A small boss brazed on the outside of the casing for the lifting eye and a brazed foot on the bottom. Sounds like a good plan ? Noel.

        #765800
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          A useful demonstration, Jason … thanks for sharing it.

          MichaelG.

          #765890
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            Mine will likely come up a bit bigger. Currently thinking of 60mm steel bar as a 75mm length will do the “tube” and two ends although 2 1/2″ material is an option at a price and would allow for a bit of a barrel shape to be added. This will put it at about the same size as the Stuart and PM Research offerings.

            Boss on the top will just be a washer into a counterbore with the screw eye threaded into the ticker wall. The same thicker wall will allow as many fixings as I want into the ends rather than tie rods.

            Foot will more than likely be JBWeld and a couple of cap heads as it may help it appeal to those who don’t have silver soldering or brazing facilities. Like wise the 4 “L” shaped parts of the end cap, screws, dowels and JBW will do though they could also be soldered.

            I recon it could be done for £25 including the motor, not bad compared to the £300 of the Stuart kit.

            #765893
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Talking of Expensive Stuarts, I see they are now showing the “Major 10” series, which are the big engines I posted photos of on there stand at the Midlands show. POA

              #765950
              duncan webster 1
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                @duncanwebster1

                Why not 3D print the housing, it doesn’t need any great strength.

                You can get brass inserts which you heat with a soldering iron and push in for the end cap bolts

                #765991
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  As mentioned in the Stuart Dyno thread. Been There and Done it. Well actually I did the CAD design and someone else printed it. Though it would be easy enough to use the prints as patterns to cast. Also just a couple of clicks and you can have it any size you want.

                  alyn dyno 2

                  alyn dyno 1

                  #765999
                  David George 1
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                    @davidgeorge1

                    This is my wobbler with small motor dynamo powerd light

                     

                    David

                    #766310
                    duncan webster 1
                    Participant
                      @duncanwebster1

                      This isn’t a 775 motor, but it might have possibilities. The nameplate reads Delco 27v, 1.5 Amps, 4 in.oz, 5400 rpm, but it is shunt wound, which is unusual. I’ll never use it, if anyone wants it yours for the price of postageIMG_20241123_143704IMG_20241123_143718

                      #766671
                      JasonB
                      Moderator
                        @jasonb

                        Further to Duncan’s comment about 3D printing, I spotted this on ebay while looking for something else, you can see it just fits around a standard motor.

                        3d dyno

                        Also available in metal from Bengs

                        #766679
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133

                          Very impressive … BUT

                          It does rather “speak to” Martin Kyte’s concurrent topic, I think.

                          MichaelG.

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                          Refhttps://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/topic/what-is-traditional-model-engineering/

                          #766683
                          noel shelley
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                            @noelshelley55608

                            That’s rather neat and the price isn’t bad compared to Stuarts offering. More food for thought. Noel.

                            #766684
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              Indeed, You could look at it a number of ways in relation to Martin’s thread.

                              Is it dumbing down things as I think Michael is suggesting by supplying plastic parts and metal hardware to put together.

                              Or is it simply moving with the times and using 3D printing to offer a reasonably priced model to the “toy engine” type collector who may not have machines.  Lets face it Stuarts, Bing, Wilesco etc have all been making ready to run or ready to assemble dynamos for years so the only real difference is the 3D printed plastic parts and making use of affordable motor parts. They have the metal option for those that need it and with all the milling work done will appeal to those with just a lathe.

                              Another nice one posted today on MEM by someone who has the castings but no drawings, I’ve not heard of the make before.

                              GnM Dynamo

                              #766690
                              Michael Gilligan
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                                @michaelgilligan61133

                                That looks more like it, Jason

                                … a well-presented project.

                                MichaelG.

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                                Edit: __ and although I drew a blank with the obvious text searches … Google Lens did quite well:

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                                IMG_0325

                                #766693
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                  This may be of interest to some:

                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK42nu2a00s

                                  MichaelG.

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                                  #766696
                                  JasonB
                                  Moderator
                                    @jasonb

                                    The forum did not come up as well as Google Lense, hopefully I will be able to see your specific image tomorrow.

                                    #766714
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133
                                      On JasonB Said:

                                      The forum did not come up as well as Google Lense, hopefully I will be able to see your specific image tomorrow.

                                      Very frustrating !

                                      I will put a copy of the Google Lens screen-shot in my Gallery

                                      … it doesn’t get us much further, but I was reasonably impressed

                                      MichaelG.

                                      #766722
                                      JasonB
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                                        @jasonb

                                        Thanks.

                                        #767292
                                        JasonB
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                                          @jasonb

                                          A bit of progress for those interested. I’ll not show or say too much at the moment as it may go into ME.

                                          Snug fit of new “casting” around the can.

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                                          A CCGT insert makes a good can opener

                                          20241128_144018

                                          May as well make use of the bearing, not sure about the spherical one at the other end as that used the can as one of the cups, bit of trial and hopefully not too much error needed before I decide.

                                          20241128_145806

                                          Hope to use the existing brushes

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                                          #767302
                                          noel shelley
                                          Participant
                                            @noelshelley55608

                                            Ah, Yes ! You will undoubtedly beat me to finishing this, but you have  raised an interesting point Jason. I bought 2 x 775 motors, one £5 more than the other and having shafts at both ends all be it only about 3mm longer than the cheaper one, now I know how it is done !  The cheap one has a spherical solid bearing at the non drive end, the other has a ball race making it a bit shorter, they both have the same armature and shaft lengths. The bearing is a 625Z. I think Ketan keeps them.

                                            Re using the brushes if one can make them rotate about the commutator then one has some control of the commutation point and any arcing. Noel.

                                            PS tried using the CCGT insert as a can opener – beans everywhere !

                                            #767365
                                            JasonB
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                                              @jasonb

                                              I did not metion that I stopped short of cutting right through that end as I thought a snag could rip the remains out of the chuck as I did not want to grip it too tightly.

                                              Probably the easiest way to get adjustment would be to have short slots to hold the end cap on rather than just round holes. Though the remains of the motor and magnets could also be rotated in the new casing, pointed end on the lifting eye to lock it maybe?

                                              #767722
                                              JasonB
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                                                @jasonb

                                                Bit more progress.

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                                                #767730
                                                Michael Gilligan
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                                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                                  Looking good ^^^

                                                  MichaelG.

                                                  #767745
                                                  noel shelley
                                                  Participant
                                                    @noelshelley55608

                                                    That’s very neat. I aim to hide the original casing behind the new one. The idea being to reduce the amount of work and machining needed to get a respectable end product. Noel.

                                                    #769455
                                                    JasonB
                                                    Moderator
                                                      @jasonb

                                                      I’ve not done anything on the Dynamo this week as I wanted to finish a steam engine.

                                                      But to encourage others to have a go here is what has been going on on the Alyn Foundry FB group. Old washing machine pump converted to a more period look. Spun up on the lathe and lighting your common or garden 12V “Downlighter” lamp. Showing 5V AC at 2000rpm.

                                                      wm1

                                                      wm2

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