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7.25″ GWR Toad

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3 February 2015 at 17:06 #32443
Shaun Trewinnard
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3 February 2015 at 17:06 #178333
Shaun Trewinnard
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I have obtained a GA plan of the 40T GWR Toad Guards Van from the NRM. This gives overall dimensions – enough to work from – but there is no plan of the underframe and they are unable to help. Any scale plan of the chassis would be of great help.Tried Googling same but it is of little help. Does anyone know where to start?

Shaun
3 February 2015 at 17:59 #178338
John Baguley
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Keith Wilson describes a 7.25" Toad for use as a driving trolley in ME Vol. 186 Issues 4146, 4148 and Vol.187 Issues 4150, 4152, and 4154. I'm not sure how close to scale it is though but might be useful?

John
3 February 2015 at 18:02 #178339
Neil Wyatt
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ME ran a series on making a Toad by Keith Wilson. I don't know how accurate his running gear was, but I imagine its 'near enough for jazz'.

Described in issue 4017, (17 May 1996), but later serialised in 4146 (18 May 2001), 4148, 4150, 4152, 4154.

Neil
3 February 2015 at 18:09 #178340
Bazyle
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EIM did a sequence of 5 inch waggon builds by Doug Hewson from '87 to 89. I think it included a Toad but not certain.
3 February 2015 at 19:03 #178346
Bob Youldon
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Good evening Shaun,

Bazyle's suggestion re the GWR Toad drawings From Doug Hewson, although it is for 5" gauge it wouldn't be to onerous to scale it up for 71/4" gauge, fortunately the DH drawing does give details of both the underframe construction and running gear together with detail of the interior and I would recommend obtaining copies of those drawings. The works GA certainly shows the construction of the van itself but the GA of the chassis and running gear would appear as separate drawings and I'm not to certain the NRM even has a copy of those drawings.

Regards,

Bob Youldon
3 February 2015 at 20:08 #178357
Neil Wyatt
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From the last but one article of Keith wilson's:

"Doug Hewson has written to me about Toads, with some useful constructive criticism-I like. He has available some quite fine drawings for a 5" Toad, much more detailed than mine. So its a matter of choice-if you want what might be described as a 'working' Toad, with lots of water and storage space, then go for mine. If you prefer the highly detailed type, then get is drawings and 'blow them up'."

Neil
3 February 2015 at 20:33 #178363
julian atkins
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hi shaun,

i have all the GWR drawings for the TOAD if you they are any help. my uncle won a gold medal with his 7.25"g TOAD at the ME exhib circa 1990 and the drawings i have are copies he obtained from Swindon. i also have all the Jim Russell drawings from his book on 'Great Western Wagons Appendix' for all types of TOADS (of which there were quite a few variations).

cheers,

julian
4 February 2015 at 10:36 #178409
Shaun Trewinnard
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Many thanks to all those who took the time and trouble to reply to my request – you can always rely on fellow model engineers! I will follow up the leads that have been suggested later on this week. The NRM did not have plans of the running gear but for all that they were most helpful, they seem to be really pleased to be of assistance.

To paraphase Captain Mainwaring "No one spotted my "deliberate" mistake". The Toad's tare according to the Swindon sheet I have states the van's weight was increased from 24 tons to 25 tons 0 cwt 0 qtr on the 25-2-21 not 40T as I said – always check the drawing before commiting oneself.

Thanks to you all – Shaun
10 May 2015 at 11:56 #189308
doubletop
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Does anybody know whether the digital issues go back as far as issue 4146 yet? The subs page says August 2001 but I'd hope its wrong and work is still progressing on the digitisation?

Pete
10 May 2015 at 12:06 #189310
Neil Wyatt
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Hi Pete,

As far as I am aware there are no plans to do further digitisation of ME.

Neil
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