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  • #194589
    Geoff Lewis 2
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      I have a need for 6BA hexagon headed screws/bolts with a parallel shank. I have included a picture of ones I already have insufficient of. Plain shank portion is 0.108" diameter and extends for 0.210 ". Over all length is 0.580". They are the remains of some old stock and I need a couple of dozen more. AF dimension is 0.192". The existing ones are from MS. If anybody can help and suggest where to get these I would appreciate it or even tell me if anybody can make them – preferably out of material stronger than MS.

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      #32512
      Geoff Lewis 2
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        @geofflewis2

        Plain shanked

        #194600
        Rik Shaw
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          @rikshaw

          Geoff _ I can't help I'm afraid. I can only wish you good luck in trying to find your "hens teeth". There's more – If the notched heads are indicating they have left hand threads then you will probably have more success in finding the Ark of the Covenant AND the Holy Grail in the same place and then winning the euromillions outright – all on the same day. dont know

          Rik

          #194601
          Keith Long
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            @keithlong89920

            Putting "hexagon headed 6ba screws" into Google comes up with a lot of potential suppliers, but whether any of them can do the bolts with a plain shank is another matter. 6ba screws of that length in industry would normally be fully threaded. Also in industry if you wanted better than mild steel you'd usually be getting them in cap head variety rather than hex head. In all another way of saying what you're after is rather specialist to the model engineering field rather than general engineering so I'd guess probably thin on the ground.

            #194602
            steamdave
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              @steamdave

              A quick google shows quite a few suppliers of 6BA items. All are fully threaded, however.

              There seems to be 'confusion' between the terminology of Screw and Bolt among the suppliers. One supplier describes the Bolts as having hex heads and the remaining heads being described as Screws.

              I understood that a Bolt was as requested (part threaded) but a Screw was fully threaded.

              This company say they will make small quantities of what you want
              http://www.ba-bolts.co.uk/index.html

              Dave
              The Emerald Isle

              #194603
              julian atkins
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                @julianatkins58923

                hi geoff,

                i had quite a few of exactly the same bolts in 6BA and 4BA with the same notches on the hex heads and plain unthreaded portion. i only have a few left. they are definitely right hand threads and made to a high specification. my guess is that they originated from the aircraft industry in the UK.

                if anyone has a few boxes of them tucked away i would also be interested!

                these days i turn all my own bolts up from hex material to ensure correct sized hex and plain unthreaded portion and threads that are not cut undersize.

                cheers,

                julian

                #194613
                Flying Fifer
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                  @flyingfifer

                  Geoff,

                  The "nicks" round the heads of your bolts denote that they are made from stainless steel. I thought I had some but mine are 4BA & I only have a few left. We were taught (as Aircraft Apprentices back in the 50`s) that a bolt had a short portion threaded, then a plain portion (which was the same diameter as the crest of the thread then the head normally of Hexagonal shape. Screws were threaded all the way up to the head & could have hex, dome or round heads (the last two being slotted for a screw driver).

                  Like Julian says I would agree that they are ex UK aircraft industry. I`ve got 5 x 6BA cad plated steel hex headed ones you can have but they are 3 inches long so you`d have to cut them down. God only knows what they were for !

                  I could probably sort you out a couple of dozen round or dome heads if you want BUT they are screws not bolts.

                  Alan

                  #194616
                  Geoff Lewis 2
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                    @geofflewis2

                    Hi guys,

                    Many thanks for all your replies and comments. steamdave seems to have solved my problem with his suggestion to contact: http://www.ba-bolts.co.uk. I looked at this, sent an email and got a telephone call within 15 minutes. Just got back from his hols and catching up but it looks good and he can help. Put it on your supplier list.

                    Thanks for that Dave. Next time you are in a sweet shop buy yourself a chocolate bar and pretend it's from me!

                    #194617
                    Anonymous

                      I was under the impression that the nicks in the head indicated a high tensile aircraft bolt. I've dug out a couple of 1/4" BSF bolts that have nicked heads. They're certainly high quality; I think the threads are rolled rather than cut, and the plain shank and underside of the head are ground. They're also strongly magnetic, which eliminates the austenitic stainless steels.

                      Andrew

                      #194618
                      Saxalby
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                        @saxalby

                        Geoff,

                        Hope you get what you need from the supplier you mentioned. If not, another possibility is Clerkenwell Screws. They used to stock lots of BA bolts.

                        #194620
                        Keith Long
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                          @keithlong89920

                          Geoff – worth doing a Google search on "aircraft spares uk" it looks as though you might strike lucky. Just saw some 6ba hex head at 1.8 in long – about £0.75 each so not expensive. Even though you might not see exactly what you want on a website a phone call could produce what you're after.

                          #194622
                          Carl Wilson 4
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                            @carlwilson4

                            Yes the nicks around the head denote high tensile steel. I remember this from Halton, there were diagrams of all the different types of markings in the training APs.

                            I have some of these bolts in 2BA from my time on aircraft. And some hiduminium aerotight stiffnuts.

                            Carl

                            #194624
                            Carl Wilson 4
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                              @carlwilson4

                              Geoff,

                              You can get these bolts from LAS Aerospace. See here:- http://www.lasaero.com/site/products/article?id=F01W6YIPP

                              I've used this company before and they are good. Lots of hard to get parts, AGS hydraulic fittings are very hard to get but they do them.

                              Carl.

                              #194655
                              julian atkins
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                                @julianatkins58923

                                to add a bit more to the original bolt spec i would agree that they werent ordinary steel but also as andrew stated magnetic. i soaked some in salt water and a chemical solution as a test, and quite a few got used on miniature loco boiler wet headers and in smokeboxes and other potentially corrosive environments with no ill effects whatsoever for at least the last 20 years and are still in use.

                                i wish i had some more!

                                cheers,

                                julian

                                #194661
                                Carl Wilson 4
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                                  @carlwilson4

                                  They are A26 series AGS bolts (aircraft general standard) I think if I remember rightly A26 are martensitic stainless. They are also close tolerance.

                                  As well as LAS aerospace you can also get them here:http://www.aerovintagespares.com/avspares/Bolts___Screws.html-

                                  So wish no more. Go to LAS or aero vintage and you can buy some.

                                  Carl.

                                  #194667
                                  Phil P
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                                    @philp

                                    I have a few assorted BA bolts of this type myself.

                                    They came from my late fathers workshop, he was in the RAF in the 1950's.

                                    That is where they probably originated.

                                    Phil

                                    #194792
                                    Ajohnw
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                                      @ajohnw51620

                                      I'm not offering but if you want to make them it's a lot easier if sized in one cut. I have a problem making M2 thumb screws from 6mm stainless. If I have to take a 2nd cut the dam things sometime bend and break. I just size about 1/8 in and then cut to the full length in one go. Brass is is a problem too. Never needed to try MS. M3 is not much better either.

                                      There are also some cutters that fit in the tail stock. Sort of end mills with a hole down the centre that leaves the correct size for specific sized threads. While they may be about I have no idea of any stockists or what they are called which might help.

                                      John

                                      #194796
                                      Carl Wilson 4
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                                        @carlwilson4
                                        Posted by John W1 on 24/06/2015 23:14:01:

                                        I'm not offering but if you want to make them it's a lot easier if sized in one cut. I have a problem making M2 thumb screws from 6mm stainless. If I have to take a 2nd cut the dam things sometime bend and break. I just size about 1/8 in and then cut to the full length in one go. Brass is is a problem too. Never needed to try MS. M3 is not much better either.

                                        There are also some cutters that fit in the tail stock. Sort of end mills with a hole down the centre that leaves the correct size for specific sized threads. While they may be about I have no idea of any stockists or what they are called which might help.

                                        John

                                        Do you mean these cutters are like an inside out rotabroach cutter?

                                        Carl.

                                        #194860
                                        Ajohnw
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                                          @ajohnw51620

                                          The subject came up on the Boxford group some time ago. Some one had a BA set that they had found – car boot sale if I remember correctly. Described in my terms as something like a slot drill with a hole up the centre. I'd expect them to be 3 flute to work reasonably well. One problem would be that the tail stock would have to be well centred – boxfords generally are.

                                          John

                                          #194862
                                          Carl Wilson 4
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                                            @carlwilson4

                                            Hi John,

                                            What interesting things. I wonder who made them?

                                            Carl.

                                            #194895
                                            steamdave
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                                              @steamdave
                                              Posted by Carl Wilson 4 on 25/06/2015 13:18:34:

                                              Hi John,

                                              What interesting things. I wonder who made them?

                                              Carl.

                                              They can be made quite easily out of silver steel. Drill the correct size hole and file the cutting lips, making sure you put the teeth in the correct orientation.- it's easy to make a left handed cutter! Then harden and temper and you're in business.

                                              Dave
                                              The Emerald Isle

                                              #194921
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                @michaelgilligan61133
                                                Posted by John W1 on 24/06/2015 23:14:01:

                                                There are also some cutters that fit in the tail stock. Sort of end mills with a hole down the centre that leaves the correct size for specific sized threads. While they may be about I have no idea of any stockists or what they are called which might help.

                                                .

                                                John,

                                                I know them as Rose Bits [or Rose Cutters] … but that may not be standard nomenclature.

                                                MichaelG.

                                                #195003
                                                Geoff Lewis 2
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                                                  @geofflewis2

                                                  Once again thank you for all your replies and suggestions. I seem to have opened up quite a discussion on BA stuff. Good job we still have engineers left in this country of ours – so I'll ask for help on a couple of other topics all for the same project.

                                                  First – like an idiot – a machined a pinion blank out of EN 24 !!!!! and was disappointed when my cutter went blunt The cutter was 9DP for 15 teeth. So I machined up another blank out of ordinary MS which I should have done in the first place. Used a cutter meant for a lot more teeth and it worked fine – pleased with the result but of course it didn't roll into engagement smoothly with the 114 Tooth gear it was mated with. So ah says me winkI'll trim the top of the teeth with the proper 15 tooth cutter which would probably have been OK for the job except that I took it to the same depth. PILLOCK! Now it engages OK but with a little bit of play and it does look too rounded at the crest. Anybody got a 9DP Gear cutter to suit a 15 teeth pinion that they can flog me?

                                                  Second request which should be easier. I am looking for a couple of tension springs to hold the latch down on a quadrant lever – something like on a valve reverse gear except that it is for a dog clutch shift collar. Ideally they need to be 3/4 inch long and 3/32 inch diameter. Model shops that used to have this kind of thing are rapidly disappearing. Any help much appreciated.

                                                  #195011
                                                  Neil Wyatt
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                                                    @neilwyatt

                                                    You may have been running the cutter too fast or without any cutting fluid? You should be able to 'resurrect' it if you can find a way of grinding it on the face (only) of each tooth – you will need a means of indexing it around each tooth in turn.

                                                    Neil

                                                    #195029
                                                    Ajohnw
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                                                      @ajohnw51620
                                                      Posted by Michael Gilligan on 25/06/2015 20:39:47:

                                                      Posted by John W1 on 24/06/2015 23:14:01:

                                                      There are also some cutters that fit in the tail stock. Sort of end mills with a hole down the centre that leaves the correct size for specific sized threads. While they may be about I have no idea of any stockists or what they are called which might help.

                                                      .

                                                      John,

                                                      I know them as Rose Bits [or Rose Cutters] … but that may not be standard nomenclature.

                                                      MichaelG.

                                                      They are described in this thread under that name on here

                                                      **LINK**

                                                      Seems that they are also used to cut pivots – Cousins sell them at £26 plus vat each but a limited range of sizes.

                                                      I'd guess this sort of thing could be turned in the normal way with a cutter without any sort of rad on the end. I suspect that's the problem even with a cut of only a few thou. The rad makes the swarf bend as it comes off putting more stress on the work.

                                                      . I just size them in one go but there is some bend in the work due to cutting pressure so there will be a bit of taper narrowing towards the chuck. I suppose one answer would be to use something like a jacot tool or part hole of the right size as a steady. Turn a short length to suit that and then use it as a travelling or fixed steady. The thumb screws I made were about 2 1/2 in long, most being at a low diameter. with an M2 thread at the end about 1/2in long.

                                                      John

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