3D printer recommendations

[Tony JeffreeParticipant @tonyjeffree56510]

I'm considering having a go at 3D printing and am wondering what others would recommend as a good machine to get a feel for the technology and what it can do. I haven't any particular project in mind yet.

[Tony JeffreeParticipant @tonyjeffree56510]

[Tony JeffreeParticipant @tonyjeffree56510]

Also, do commercial printers generally come complete with design software, or not? If the latter, what do people use?

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

It all depends on your budget.

I'm now using the Balco one from Aldi. £250 and worth every penny, to me.

I use Fusion360 (for free) to design things.

Jim

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

Hi Tony, I have had great success printing with an inexpensive Creality Ender 3 printer. It came with Cura slicing software which prepares your stl format CAD file for printing. For making the CAD file I use Solidworks as I have a license for it for work use (not cheap) but others have reported using Autodesk Fusion 360, Alibre, and others.

There are lots of free downloads of stl files ready for printing at Thingiverse and other sites. Thingiverse is well worth a look.

For good instructional video of all aspects of 3D printers, and several types of print process, you can look up Myfordboy on Youtube. There is also a guy under the Teaching Tech label on Youtube whose videos are also good, particularly comparing machines and accessories / upgrades for common machines.

Hope this helps.

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Edited By Jeff Dayman on 21/11/2019 18:56:19

[VidarParticipant @vidar]

There are many types of 3D printing technology so it might be useful to consider what you want to use it for? They have different strengths and weaknesses. The most common consumer technologies are based around either welding strands of filament or using UV light to harden a UV sensitive liquid. It might be worth checking out their basic differences before looking for a specific machine.

Some printers come with slicing software but all that does is prepare the 3D models you already have for printing. To actually make the 3D models pretty much any 3D software can make 3D models in a format the slicing software will accept.

What 3D modelling software is right for you will again depend on what you intent to use it for? There are major differences between 3D modelling programs and what use they are optimized towards. For instance making organic shapes in a mechanical CAD program is next to hopeless, and equally, making mechanical assemblies in an organic 3D modeller is pretty hopeless too.

If I were to suggest something take a look at Sketchup and Rhino3D.

[Steve FParticipant @stevef]

Hello Tony

I have 3 different 3d printers at variuos price points

CEL Robox £900

DIY CoreXy £350 ish

Creality Ender 3 £140

The CEL Robox is very much plug & play. Chipped filament rolls that set most of the printing parameters for you (you can override these). It comes with CELs own printing software that simplfyies the settings. It does a huge range of plastic types including ABS. It is a closed box with temperature control. NO drawing software.

The Creality Ender3 el cheapo £140 shipped from Germany on Aliexepress. Uses CURA to print (free software) results are on the level with the CEL until you start to try flashy plastic types. Buy eco PLA filament from 3D Jake in Austria. Spend £45 ish to get free shipping. This is my recommended starter choice cheap setup. It will teach you loads and give you an idea if you want more but in reality it will probably do all you want. It can do ABS , has a huge build volume that you wont use. 220 X 220 X 250. If you try and print that it will probably take 2 days.

Fusion 360 hobbyist for drawing.

The Core xy is a self build. This is for higher speed printing as the head has a low moving mass.

Get the Ender 3 and start learning.

regards

Steve

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I keep coming across people praising the Creality Ender 3, as above.

Cheap enough and capable enough to cut your teeth on, then decide if you want to upgrade.

Neil

[nigel jones 5Participant @nigeljones5]

for sheer out the box plug and play you cant get much better than the Flashforge Finder – incudes slicing and gmail software. Easy to design basic stuff in Tinkercad. Limited only by a bed of 140 x 140 but ideal entry level, very well built and under £200.

[HollowpointParticipant @hollowpoint]

I recently bought a 3d printer, after many hours of research and loads of recommendations I went with an Ender 3 Pro. I have not been disappointed with my purchase, it's a very nicely put together machine which seems way better quality than the meagre price tag would suggest, the print quality supprised me as it is really quite good! One of the things that swung it for me is that there is hundreds of spares, accessories and upgrades available for this machine at very reasonable prices. There is also a big support community which is a bonus if you ever need any help. I would readily recommend the Ender 3!

As for software. I use fusion 360 and cura. Both good, both free.

[Old SchoolParticipant @oldschool]

I use the Balco one from Aldi worked straight out of box came with a SD card full of things to make, also Cura software.

Like a lot of the others I use Fusion 360 to do the drawings very much at start of 3D drawing but getting better, the printer gets used to prove drawings before I start cutting metal on the cnc mill.

[John CParticipant @johnc47954]

+1 for the Aldi printer, Cura software and Fusion 360 CAD.

[Tony JeffreeParticipant @tonyjeffree56510]

Many thanks to everyone for the very useful replies – lots to investigate there. I suspect Santa may have difficulty getting one of these down the chimney…

[IanTParticipant @iant]

Hi Tony,

I'm just one step in front of you, in that I finally decided to try 3DP(rint) a few weeks ago. Mrs Santa ordered a Sovol SV01 for me. I follow Myfordboy and he's recently acquired one (not his first 3D printer) and he seems to like it. Other reviews have also been generally positive. It seems to have most of the new 'features' of affordable 3DP and it comes virtually assembled. Not something I'd have been bothered about at one time but it seems more sensible these days (I've already got a lifetimes TUIT list)

With regards 3D CAD – this was really what was putting me off starting 3DP – the prospect of learning 3D CAD, which I'd struggled with previously. I know many here use Fusion and also (more recently) Alibre – but frankly I'm not keen on investing my time in either (nor having my content stored in the Cloud). So I've been looking at open source and a friend in the Gauge 3 Society recommended Open SCAD.

I wasn't too impressed after a first look at their website but decided I should watch a few 'user' videos before ruling it out and now I'm definitely going to try it for a few simple 'starter' 3DP workshop jobs I have in mind. It's really a scripting language that builds graphically as you instruct it. It's possible to build libraries of re-usable code (modules) and to also use & modify other peoples scripts, something not possible with most published CAD.

I do have other 3D CAD needs that SCAD might not be so good at (e.g. 3D to 2D) but I've also been looking at FreeCAD for those 'future needs'. FreeCAD seems to be able to collaborate with SCAD in some very interesting (and useful) ways. All open source of course, no licences, no fees, no cloud.

I'd recommend you look at 'Myfordboy' for a Sovol review – and 'Mathcodeprint' for an interesting overview of SCAD (and FreeCAD transfers) – all on YouTube of course.

To be clear – this is not the voice of experience, I'm just starting out too. My Sovol arrived (well packed) a few days ago but has been embarged by Mrs Santa until Xmas. I decided to jump into 3DP with something reasonably current (rather than an older model) and this is where I am at the moment…

Regards,

IanT

PS Thank you for the many useful ideas, articles and projects I've used/enjoyed/tried over the years.

[VidarParticipant @vidar]

I mentioned above to maybe first checkout your potential use against the strength and weakness of the two most common consumer 3D print technologies – filement welding and liquid UV light hardening.

Since then I've given a bit of thought. I own and use both types of printers (a BCN Sigma and an Anycubic Photon), and the types of tasks I use them for are quite different. It is mostly a matter of scale and precision (accuracy though is hard on both), and to a lesser degree choice of physical end properties and material choices.

So for my use the filament 3D printer is used mostly for larger and less detailed items, while the UV liquid one is used mostly for items that are small and/ or detailed. The tipping point for me is objects somewhere around 8-10 cm long in some dimension. Both printers can be used to print wax for making forms for casting if that is of interest – same distinction applies there, but with the liquid one have a clear quality advantage. The filament printer is the only though that can print with more than one material, or where I can add metal inserts (threads, fasterners etc) as needed during the print.

For my use the liquid printer is the one I go to. It is a lot less hassle to setup, very few settings to fiddle with, and the result is usually good on first try. The filament printer on the other hand have quite a few settings to fiddle about, different materials behave quite differently, and it takes time to iterate towards good results.

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[LainchyParticipant @lainchy]

+1 more for the Ender 3, but be prepared to tinker (there's a reaon why they don't sell them at Currys and the like). There is a huge community for these printers though, and they sure print well when assembled correctly

Lars Christensen on YouTube has a fantastic playlist for beginners on Fusion 360, which is still free for hobbyists, and as others have said… thingyverse has thousands of free STL files to play with.

Enjoy.

[Ian Skeldon 2Participant @ianskeldon2]

I love my ender 3 and found no reason to upgrade, amazing at the price.

[Tony JeffreeParticipant @tonyjeffree56510]

Looks like Santa will be struggling with an Ender 3 – thanks for the help!

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Nobody has mentioned the versions of basic Prusa 3 available on ebay……..

[LimpetParticipant @limpet]

Tony

I've had the same dilemma, I've been looking for months now and just ordered the ender 3. I'm unable to dither any longer as my next main project will need me to test parts before cutting metal

Lionel

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

To those receiving an Ender 3 soon, prior to or during assembly do check out Myfordboy on Youtube. He has an excellent set of build notes for careful assembly that will contribute to great prints.

There are also a lot of free downloadable stl files to print "hot rod" parts to improve your Ender 3 on sites like Thingiverse. Before spending time downloading them, I would suggest waiting to see if your received machine actually needs them. In many cases Creality has fixed issues over time that some of these parts were designed to address. One example – a long time ago Ender 3's controller box had a fan vent hole on top of the electrical box that all sorts of bits would fall into, jamming the fan. There were several designs of fan ducts on Thingiverse designed to stop this happening. I spent a bit of time downloading, improving the design etc. while I waited for my machine to arrive. I thought the duct would be one of the first prints. Machine arrives – no hole in the box top! Creality had improved the design! I was also told " oh be sure to get a special filament guide tube from company X, the stock ones are garbage". I bought one of the "hot rod" tubes, it was not expensive, but I built the machine with the stock tube and it has worked just fine – the special tube was not needed at all.

The under-bed pull out home-printed tool tray is a useful improvement, as are various filament guides and cable clips for the ribbon cables. A back cover for the control panel is a useful item if moving the machine much – saves piercing your fingers on sharp wire ends on the open PCB – but this may be improved on newer models.

If your machines come with a glass bed, that's great! in my experience they work FAR better than the peelable bed pad the machine came with. If your machine does not have a glass bed, it's a worthwhile improvement, in my opinion. It is held onto the bed on my machine with 4 small bulldog paper clamps. Not fancy but dirt cheap and they work just fine. You do need to raise bed temp setting a bit for a glass bed due to heat losses – in my case about 12 degrees C hotter than recommended bed temp for any given material, determined my experiment, seems to work well on my Ender 3.

Enjoy! 3D printing is a lot of fun, as well as enabling making some very useful parts.

[IanTParticipant @iant]

Posted by Jeff Dayman on 06/12/2019 02:29:40:

To those receiving an Ender 3 soon, prior to or during assembly do check out Myfordboy on Youtube. He has an excellent set of build notes for careful assembly that will contribute to great prints.

If your machines come with a glass bed, that's great! in my experience they work FAR better than the peelable bed pad the machine came with. If your machine does not have a glass bed, it's a worthwhile improvement, in my opinion.

Well Jeff – Myfordboy's latest 3D Printer is actually a Sovol

"I have tried a few printers but this is my new favourite. The direct drive gives excellent prints"

Knowing nothing about 3DP, I watched numerous reviews of different 3D printer types – some dating back a few years and there was (is) a lot of differing opinion out there. So who best to listen to?

MyfordBoy seems to know what he's talking about. He has used a number of different 3DP machines – and most importantly – he is using them in the same areas as I'm likely to want to use mine – so his opinions carry a bit more weight with me. I also wanted something current (technology does move on apace these days) and also RTR 'out-the-box'. My budget was >£250 and certainly I could have saved money and spent 8-10 hours building a kit but I'm now old enough to start thinking that 10 hours of my spare time (plus the other product improvements) is probably worth that extra £100!

So whilst it's great there is a good user community for a particular 3DP model, if that advice is on how to build the thing (or how to then make it work better) that's not really a huge advantage – if you can now buy something that is pretty much pre-built and already has improvements that help with known problems (like having a heated glass bed).

My Sovol is still in it's box (until Xmas) and once it's assembled (about 10 minutes) there is the problem of learning all the associated CAD/Slicer software required to use it. I've always felt that's where my real problems would most likely be, so hopefully my new 3DP will help smooth my progress – rather than slow it.

Another year on and the Sovol won't be the latest (or probably best) product as this technology is moving so fast – but right now it's what seems best for my needs – we will see!

Regards,

IanT

[LimpetParticipant @limpet]

Well I received my Creality Ender-3 Pro today, assembled as per instructions, and set the bed as per the instructions from CHEP (youtube) and to my surprise my first print looked like it should – ok it probably needs a bit of tweaking but I was well impressed for a first attempt – the main problem I had was the included software would not load under windows 10 – so I downloaded Cura and all was good, my first print was a dice from thingiverse – Looks like I'm now hooked

Lionel

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

Great news Lionel! well done.

After the first few prints it is a good idea to check that your bed leveling springs are keeping the screws / finger wheels tight and not allowing them to turn. On my machine the springs relaxed a bit and needed retightening. I just turned each finger wheel the same amount (closely as possible) so I didn't have to re-level the bed.

Later I changed the springs to "hot rod" aftermarket heavier ones ( only cost a few dollars) and have not touched them since.

Happy printing!

[LimpetParticipant @limpet]

Jeff I will keep an eye on the springs and change then if they start to drift There is so much to learn as I'm still trying to get my head round fusion slowly but it is rewarding to actually hold something in your hand rather than just on the screen.

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