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  • #770244
    mr fixit
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      @mr-fixit

      Hi Noel, Robert

       

      I get very confused sometimes when trying to post reply messages. At First it was as though I was not logged in and could NOT type anything, I think I ended up trying again as a new member then found the title but none of your new messages were displayed until after I had sent mine.

      I thought those two capacitors looked like Electrolytics, something to do with the Rectifier perhaps.

      Thank you, You were both correct, I had made a serious error wiring it up and I am an idiot for not doing a thorough check. good lesson for you Noel, when you get to the testing stage.I knew something was wrong but missing a wire was a dreadful error. My Bench grinder seems ok. I ran it four times on the Start Capacitor for no more than 5 or 6 Seconds on each occasion. perhaps I got away with it, I have read somewhere but can’t remember where, that more than a couple of Seconds running on a Start Capacitor can destroy a motors windings. I rescued that B&D 7″ 3 phase Bench Grinder a couple of years ago from a skip  the stones thrown in seperately and luckily they had put the nuts and washers back on the spindle. no idea why they threw it away, Although the tool Rests are missing, AS ARE THE END COVERS  does anyone have a grinder like this that they could take a picture of the tool rests for me, to give me a rough idea what to make

       

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      #770245
      mr fixit
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        @mr-fixit

        Hi Baz,

        I would just like to appologise, I am sorry if I caused you any irritation I just though I was trying to help, I think you probably know more than I do about computer systems, I often have trouble doing various things on my old computer.   I have only just been given my first ever mobile phone and I can’t work that properly yet either. I have only just learned how to digitise a video.

        Trevor

        #770257
        Ian P
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          @ianp

          How does one digitise a video?

          … and for what purpose?

          Ian P

          #770269
          noel shelley
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            @noelshelley55608

            Trevor, I’m glad all is well and it now works. Running it for a few seconds should do no harm so long as the insulation could stand it. Good Luck Noel.

            #770334
            mr fixit
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              @mr-fixit

              Hi IanP,

              Sorry I probably did not mean digitised, what I meant to say was changing the Digital Format to enable a video to be attached to an email. I downloaded a program called VLC this program can be used to Edit Videos in various ways. You can reduce the Resolution by various ratio’s so the video takes far less time to download. But I suppose if I had a Analogue Video this could be Digitised. (now go and find a photo ) so do text copy. !!

              Hi Noel,

              30 Year old MOTORUN 3 Phase Static converter 

              Thanks everybody, I am relieved that I have got it working. Here is a good Tip, I used Crimp On connectors for the Capacitors. I think this is safer than getting the terminals very hot. but what I did was to solder a small piece of Sheet Copper folded over the edge of the female spade, This has two advantages. First it increases the gripping pressure and second it disables the locking tab so the spade can be more easily removed without ripping the terminal from the Capacitor.

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              B & D Bench Grinder

              The wires going into the motor have really old brown rubber insulation with a cloth outer which is all falling off,  but I don’t know if I have caused any damage inside , I did stick my nose in but could not smell anything untoward, If I had a Mega Tester I could do some insulation readings. It never occured to me that the 3000RPM was uinusual, I have tried to find out about ithe grinder on line, but can’t find any information

              Noel Loosing Typing

              I have done what you did Noel, and lost a load of typing, sometimes I go back and look at a message I am, replying to then return to my typing only to find a big blank white square, VERY annoying. So what I have started doing is every now and again I highlight my typing and right click COPY then it is like having a BACKUP.

              Trevor

               

               

               

               

               

               

              #770366
              Robert Atkinson 2
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                On noel shelley Said:

                The 2 small 100 uf are electrolytic with marked poles BUT the 2x 105 – 130 uf 350V caps are marked as follows:- ITT electrolytic, M28 L1 105 PEO AOO and “intermittent ” The cases have a blue plastic covering though the poles are not marked. Whilst one would not use an electrolytic as a run Cap it seems that it may be using an electrolytic as a start cap ? If Motorun started in 1982, then mine is an early one, Feb 1983

                When time permits I will do a diagram of the unit, may be over Christmas. Till later. Noel.

                Ohh I’m glad I said “You cannot use a standard electrolytic capacitor on AC”

                You can get unpolarised electrolytic capacitors. These are effectively (or literally) two electrolytics connected in series with opposing polarities. One is correctly polarised of a given half of the AC cycle and supposedly protects the other from reverse polarity. The advantage is that two electrolytics of x uF are smaller and cheaper than one paper of film type of the same value.
                The disadvantage is that electrolytics are lossier than film so tend to warm up internally which can cause loss of electrolyte. Normal electrolytics also suffer from this in many applications. For the unpolarised ones thera is always some imbalance in values and leakage current and this drives other failure modes.

                Robert.

                #771394
                John Hinkley
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                  @johnhinkley26699

                  Robert,

                  You obviously have considerable expertise in electronics.  I would be interested to know what “bits” you have purchased for your proposed Myford lathe installation, as, no doubt, would others.  As an electronics numpty, I merely follow what others, more knowledgeable than me, have done and slavishly copy that.  Please let us know how you get on and show us a few photos, too.  (Unless you want to write an article about it!)

                  John

                   

                  #771407
                  noel shelley
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                    @noelshelley55608

                    Adding strips of copper to female spade connectors is unlikely to help as the two rolled over edges that hold it all together will be strained beyond their elastic limit and with the lock disabled are more likely to come off. Soldering was considered good enough for the 40 year old unit I have and only by very poor practice will the terminals be over heated. If I have to replace any capacitors they will be soldered in. Noel.

                    #771418
                    Robert Atkinson 2
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                      @robertatkinson2

                      Hi John,
                      It’s been my day job in various forms for 45 years so I’ve learn a bit along the way. One job included designing drive and control systems for 3 axis machines using both rotary + ballscrew systems and linear motors. These ran up to 3m/s with 1 micron resolution.

                      For my ML7 I’ve fitted a 370 W  (1/2 HP) 6 pole motor. A Gamak AGM 80 B3 foot mounted
                      Totally Enclosed Fan Cooled (TEFC) that is inverter rated. It was NOS on ebay at £35 (I like a bargain 🙂 ). This fits directly onto the ML7 motor mount. I used a larger ulley to partially compensate for the lower speed. It also reduces the bending on the belt. At 60Hz this motor runs at 1100 RPM but ia rated up to 1400 RPM so you have a good range of speed. Being 6 pole it is also very  smooth and quiet.
                      To drive the motor I bought a used electronics box from an electric gate (ebay again £50). This had a Toshiba VF-nC3S-2004 400W VFC in it which is ideal for the motor. Unfortunatly I discovered that the settings were password protected. However a nice email to the UK agent of the gate manufacturer got me the password.
                      Currently I’m running this as a prototype lash-up in a temporary 2nd hand enclosure but have a nice new steel case, Filter, connectors, control switches etc to build up a finished unit.
                      The motor and drive work really well.
                      I did ask MEW if they were interested in an article on this and they were, but I’ve not done anything. I have written a couple of articles for electronics magazines previously.

                      for the ELS I bought a single axis unit from electronicleadscrew.eu. I could have built my own and written the code but it was too much like a day job project I was working one and would not be good use of my time. The package from ELS EU does not include the motor or driver. I’m actually going to use an unusual stepper motor and drive. It’s a Vexta 5 phase stepper and matching drive. These are high performance motors with a price tag to match. I have a couple in stock from drum type optical scanners that I scrapped a few years ago.
                      Hoping to get some work done on it over the holidays.

                      Robert.

                       

                       

                      #771450
                      John Hinkley
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                        @johnhinkley26699

                        Many thanks, Robert, for that update and apologies to all the others reading this thread. My input, three up from here, I posted in this thread in error. It should have gone into another about an ELS installation on Boxford lathe, but somehow ended up here.  Having thoroughly confused everybody, including me, I will back slowly out of the thread, never to return.

                        John

                         

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