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  • #761638
    chris bond 1
      @chrisbond1

      I have a Clarke, overhead hoist in my garage, the hand held controller has a capacitor in it, and there are five wires from the controller to the hoist. Sometimes I need to be further away when using the hoist so want to cut the controller cable and fit plugs and sockes to both the hoist wire and the controller wire so I can plug in an extension cable between the hoist and controller. So short lead  when I’m close, long lead when further away. My question is, can I use 5 pin 3 phase extension plugs and socckets? I have 5 core cable already. The hoist is 240 volt single phase, (domestic 13 amp). A really quick yes or no would be great, By Text/SMS or Wattsapp much appreciated or eMail through site.  Thank you guys in anticipation. Chris 0751********  ****.****@****.com

       

      [Post moderated to remove member’s personal contact details.]

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      #761641
      noel shelley
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        @noelshelley55608

        Could be dangerous If someone plugged it in to a 5 pin socket at 415V ! But yes it would work ! Noel.

        #761649
        SillyOldDuffer
        Moderator
          @sillyoldduffer

          WARNING!

          Perhaps innocently Chris asks for answers thus:  By Text/SMS or Wattsapp much appreciated or eMail through site.  Thank you guys in anticipation. Chris 07519****** ****.****@****.***

          This could be a phishing attack.  Members should avoid communicating using any of the methods requested by Chris because they give away contact information individuals probably want to keep private.  Answers on the forum or using the forum’s Private Message system maintain anonymity.

          Chris. I do hope you’re not one of the bad guys!  However, not forum etiquette to inhibit answers as requested, or to invite  forum members to open alternative comms channels.    Your question should only be answered on the forum in the normal way.

          If you have to ask about using 5-pin 3-phase connectors for a non-standard purpose, I suggest the simple answer is NO.  The circumstances in which the answer might be YES require explanation;  why it’s not quite black and white simple needs to be understood.

          Dave

           

           

          #761651
          Robert Atkinson 2
          Participant
            @robertatkinson2

            NO.

            Assuming 4 “control” wires plus a  proective earth a HAN 4 + PE connector would be suitable:

            uk.rs-online.com/web/p/heavy-duty-power-connectors/4925256

            IT the controller is double insulated and there is no protective eartn then a  5 pole one will suit but it must have a plastic hood / body.

            #761653
            chris bond 1
              @chrisbond1

              I am no scammer no crook, no con man. Sorry for confusion, first time I have asked a question on here. But having now had excellent advice I have acted on it and the matter is closed.

              I will seek to remove my details and or the question if possible. I can’t find where or how A T M.

              #761654
              chris bond 1
                @chrisbond1

                So how do I remove it Oh infinite wise  man of in depth knowledge of all things “model Engineer “etiquet”?

                #761655
                chris bond 1
                  @chrisbond1

                  “inhibit answers” LoL????

                  #761676
                  SillyOldDuffer
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                    @sillyoldduffer
                    On chris bond 1 Said:

                    I am no scammer no crook, no con man. Sorry for confusion, first time I have asked a question on here. But having now had excellent advice I have acted on it and the matter is closed.

                    I will seek to remove my details and or the question if possible. I can’t find where or how A T M.

                    Members can’t change anything once the time allowed for edit has expired, about 20minutes I think.  No problem though, on request a moderator can hide your details, so I will!

                    Hope you’re not put off because apart from evil-doers, everyone is welcome.  Don’t worry about making mistakes on the forum – I often do!

                    Re evil on on the internet, probably not obvious to members but Jason spends a lot of his valuable time nailing malignant intruders – they never give up.  He deserves a medal!

                    Dave

                     

                    #761679
                    Ian P
                    Participant
                      @ianp

                      Dave, still a bit more paperwork to do.

                      The posters details are still showing in your first reply.

                      Ian P

                      #761702
                      Dave Halford
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                        @davehalford22513

                        Doh!

                        #761715
                        SillyOldDuffer
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                          @sillyoldduffer
                          On Ian P Said:

                          Dave, still a bit more paperwork to do.

                          The posters details are still showing in your first reply.

                          Ian P

                          Double doh!  Thanks for pointing it out.   I’m not a well man!

                          Dave

                          #761721
                          Circlip
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                            @circlip

                            Problem similar occurred a while ago when in a MEW article connection of a 12V battery powered drill had a mains powered supply connected to it. The surmisel  was that if the originator dropped dead, his equipment MAY be passed on and the recipient plug said drill directly into 240v and letting the magic smoke to rapidly exit.

                            Why not replace entire lead with a longer one ad coil the excess when not in use?

                            Regards  Ian.

                            #761731
                            noel shelley
                            Participant
                              @noelshelley55608

                              OR a commercial vehicle susie, the spiral lead between the truck and trailer, 7 core is common, then no need for plugs sockets Etc and NO risk of confusion ? They come in various lengths. Noel.

                              #761734
                              Ian P
                              Participant
                                @ianp

                                A quick ‘yes’ as per your original question as long as the connectors are suitable (as the ones Robert linked to are).

                                However in purchasing two in-line connectors pairs you will spend nearly as much as the complete hoist cost originally (depending on which model yours is). As others have said, just fit a longer cable.

                                Out of curiosity, I wonder what the capacitor does in the wired remote?

                                Ian P

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                #761780
                                Nicholas Farr
                                Participant
                                  @nicholasfarr14254

                                  Hi Ian P, to answer your curiosity, probably the same as my one.

                                  Wiring Diagram

                                   

                                  Regards Nick.

                                  #761782
                                  Ian P
                                  Participant
                                    @ianp

                                    Nick

                                    I’m not sure why, but the diagram you posted does not appear (just a little icon and name). The non-appearance I am seeing (experiencing really!) is the subject of another thread but if you could say how you posted the diagram ii might be useful

                                    Ian P

                                    #761786
                                    Nicholas Farr
                                    Participant
                                      @nicholasfarr14254

                                      Hi Ian P, I did with the drag and drop on my laptop. I’ll give it another go.

                                      Wiring Diagram

                                      Regards Nick.

                                      #761822
                                      Ian P
                                      Participant
                                        @ianp

                                        Thanks Nick, it worked the second time and I now see that the motor run capacitor itself is in the remote handset, probably put there because they could, and it saves having to put a ‘blister’ on the motor.

                                        The diagram itself is typically oriental, it took me a while to understand it

                                        Ian P

                                         

                                        #761915
                                        Nicholas Farr
                                        Participant
                                          @nicholasfarr14254

                                          Hi Ian P, I’m glad I’m not the only one who took a while to understand the diagram, the hoist was given to me in a nonworking state, as a spares or repairs. When I first looked at the pendent switch, it was quite obvious that someone had been fiddling about with the wiring for some unknown reason, added to that, there is no emergency stop button, and the pendant flex only has four wires.

                                          001#a

                                          While it soon became obvious that five wires were not needed, it still took a little bit of working out how to get it wired up correctly.

                                          CIMG3435#b

                                          Regards Nick.

                                          #762256
                                          Ed Dinning 1
                                          Participant
                                            @eddinning1

                                            Hi, I believe that the IEC blue connectors used on campsites are available with up to 6 ways and may be used on 240v 3phase (a recognised standard). Red connectors signify 440v , yellow 110 and violet lower voltages

                                            These are good robust connectors and ideal for workshops

                                             

                                            Ed

                                            #762264
                                            Mark Rand
                                            Participant
                                              @markrand96270

                                              ^^^^^ BS4343 or Commando

                                              #762302
                                              Circlip
                                              Participant
                                                @circlip

                                                Many years ago, one of the manufacturing industries GB practised was Textile manufacturing. A company I worked for, for a VERY short period, dealt in the supply of new and used textile testing equipment. The manager/owner of this ‘firm’, him and two others, stated one day that what he didn’t know about electrics, a mate of his did. A used Lightbox appeared one day, basically a sheet of glass with an opal diffuser behind it and a couple of U shaped fluorescent tubes behind that, encased in a metal box. When a woven material is passed over it, any breaks in the warp or weft fibres (vertical and horizontal) is easily spotted.

                                                UNFORTUNATELY, he took the decision to test this himself. On switch on, a very brief lightshow occurred and when WE enquired, HE had fitted a ‘Red’ plug onto the cable exiting the box. My immediate question was ‘Why should a fluorescent lamp be connected to a three phase supply?’

                                                “Cos what came out of the box was a five core cable so it MUST require a three phase supply!”

                                                On removing the back panel, it became quite apparent that at some time in a previous life, the original cable had been damaged, and some bright spark had replaced it with a piece of five core. The terminals INSIDE the box were clearly marked L N E

                                                As stated earlier, a VERY brief period of employment there.

                                                Regards  Ian.

                                                #762309
                                                Circlip
                                                Participant
                                                  @circlip

                                                  If you move the ‘Cap’ INTO the motor housing, you only need three wires from the controller.

                                                  Regards  Ian.

                                                  #762431
                                                  Speedy Builder5
                                                  Participant
                                                    @speedybuilder5

                                                    Would something like this work ?

                                                    Electric Temporary Plug

                                                    #762449
                                                    Emgee
                                                    Participant
                                                      @emgee

                                                      It may work if you have the g/y at the other end on a connection expecting a voltage supply.

                                                      Emgee

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