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  • #729608
    smntik
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      @smntik

      Hi.

      I’m new in the forum and perhaps I am posting in the wrong place, sorry.

      I am having a problem. I have an Optimum 1503 and I can’t remove the 3 jaw chuck that came with it when I bought it.

      I unscrew the 3 nuts that are on the back side of the chuck as the distributor told me, and pull hard from it, but I can’t move it. I clamped some material to the 3 jaws and pulled in a very strong way, but it is impossible.

      Can somebody help me?

      Another question: does somebody know what is the little “golden button” that is in the front face of the chuck as you can see in the last picture? You can press it, because it must have a spring on the back, but I don’t know what is its function?

      Thanks.

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      #729616
      JasonB
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        @jasonb

        Put the nuts back onto the studs. Then place a piece of aluminium or brass between the end of the stud and the head of the lathe. Work your way round unscrewing the nuts against the piece of metal about a 1/4 of a turn for each before moving on to the next. This will jack the chuck off the tight fitting parallel spindle nose.

        The item on the front of the chuck is similar to the others you have on the lathe and is for greasing/oiling the internals of the chuck

        #729618
        Nicholas Farr
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          @nicholasfarr14254

          Hi smntik, as JasonB says, although I use a piece of gauge plate that will just go in.

          Chuck Removal

          Regards Nick.

          #729620
          Hopper
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            @hopper

            And maybe think about drilling and tapping three threaded holes in the spindle flange so you can use some kind of jacking screws to get the chuck off next time.Thus putting the jacking forces into the inert flange and not the delicate spindle bearings.

            Looks like space is limited between the flange and headstock so you might have to use something like grub screws with an inset Allen socket etc. and a cut down Allen key to suit?

            Oil is the preferred lubricant for the scroll side of the chuck that the “gold button” lubricates. A squirt from an oil can once in a long while is all that is needed. And stand clear when starting the spindle for the first time!

            The rear side of the scroll plate that engages with the three chuck key pinions is packed with grease and should last many years without needing repacking.

            #729623
            noel shelley
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              @noelshelley55608

              Welcome to the forum. A great idea Jason, But the plate should be as thick as the gap to the end of the stud will allow so that your pressure is on as many threads as possible to avoid the risk of stripping the thread. Noel.

              #729627
              SillyOldDuffer
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                @sillyoldduffer

                Don’t panic – not unknown for the new chuck on a new lathe to be very tight at first.  After it’s been on and off a few times, all should be well.

                I’d jack it off using the nuts as described above.    Other possibilities if it’s seriously stuck:

                • Warming the chuck with a blowlamp will expand the metal and loosen the grip, so apply heat jack/pull, allow to cool, and repeat.  To avoid damage, keep the heat low, say boiling point.
                • A slide hammer, see pic, these can be home-made.

                 

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                Jacking is less likely to do any damage.

                Dave

                 

                 

                #729635
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  If you want to shock it off there is no need to make up a slide hammer. Just grip a piece of long bar in the chuck that protrudes out the back of the spindle and hit that.

                  For jacking I prefer a longer piece of metal than Nick shows as once you have cracked the initial grip it can be used as a lever and the nuts don’t need to be wound off any more so stay well engaged with the stud. If you did as Noel says then you would need several different packers as the gap increases as the chuck works it’s way off. More an issue on the larger 250 & 280 Lathes as they have a longer parallel spigot.

                  This is what I have used on my 280 for the last 16years

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                  #729643
                  John Haine
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                    @johnhaine32865

                    Make sure as you apply Jason’s method that you have something to catch the chuck as it falls off!  Easy way might be a steel bar held in the tailstock chuck and inserted into the chuck bore.  You don’t want the chuck to fall on the ways and dent them.

                    #729646
                    Bazyle
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                      @bazyle

                      Once you have got it off clean teh mating surfaces of the old gummy goo with white spirit, paint thinners, and apply new thin oil.
                      Don’t use WD40 – anywhere. It dries out to glue-goo. There are some machine oil and ‘way oil’ (sliding surface oil) products from our advertisers.
                      Progressively you will acquire things like LM40 grease, graphite grease, and a few other specialist items. And don’t eschew Vaseline, good for lots of things you are going to handle and don’t want oil on your skin/clothes.

                      #729647
                      Hopper
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                        @hopper

                        Bit of board across the bed ways with another bit of wood screwed to the bottom of it to locate in the gap between the ways to hold it in place is a good idea too when changing chucks. Useful too for if desperate and hacksawing a job off next to the chuck. I wish the previous owner of Myford had used one!

                        #729648
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb
                          On John Haine Said:

                          Make sure as you apply Jason’s method that you have something to catch the chuck as it falls off!  Easy way might be a steel bar held in the tailstock chuck and inserted into the chuck bore.  You don’t want the chuck to fall on the ways and dent them.

                          The nuts are in place so it won’t fall off.

                          Though a chuck board is always a good idea for actual changing of chucks. More importantly with this type of fixing is the board should catch any nuts or washers that get dropped and save them getting lost in a pile of swarf

                          #729649
                          Nick Wheeler
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                            @nickwheeler

                            So it’s just me that uses a short length of 15mm bar clamped in the chuck to jiggle it enough to loosen the grip on the spindle register? The bar then makes a good handle to hold the chuck safely enough that a board isn’t necessary.

                            #729650
                            Nicholas Farr
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                              @nicholasfarr14254

                              Hi John, as JasonB has pointed out, the studs are long enough for the nuts to still be on once the chuck is off the register, however looking at  the OP’s photos, he has a board over his ways.

                              My chuck will only take two rotations of the chuck, using my piece of gauge plate on each stud, and then on the next stud the third time, the cuck is off the register and is caught by all the nuts from falling off altogether, and all I need to do then is hold the chuck with one hand, and spin the nuts off with a finger with the other hand.

                              Regards Nick.

                              #729699
                              Howard Lewis
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                                @howardlewis46836

                                If using packing, (ideally thick enough to completely fill the gap between the end of the stud and the Headstock casting) does not work, retighten the nuts and measure the gap between the end of the stud anf the headstock.

                                Then use some hexagon bar, to make three long M6 nuts (just shorter so that a thin piece of Aluminium will fit between the Headstock and each new long nut, when it is fully screwed onto the studs).

                                The thin Aluminium will minimise marking the Headstock, and the longer nuts will ensure as much thread engagement as possible, to minimise risk of thread damage.

                                Gradually unscrewing the long nuts, say, one flat at a time, in turn, should then jack the chuck completely off the register.

                                Once off, clean the internal register of the chuck, and that on the flange. Hopefully the problem should not repeast.

                                FWIW I found that the studs were a bit short, and did not bottom in the chucks (3 or 4 jaw), so liable to unscrew rather than the nut. I made longer sruds that would bottom in the chuck, but still allow enough stud to protrude through the flange for full engagement of the original nuts.

                                It might be worth ensuring that the studs are long enough, for there to be just enough clearance between the end of the studs and the Headstock, to allow  the new jacking nuts to JUST fitt, in case a chuck ever needs to be jacked off the flange again.

                                HTH

                                Howard

                                #729701
                                Robert Atkinson 2
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                                  @robertatkinson2

                                  If heating a chuck or spindle to loosen a tight part a hot air gun of the type used for paint stripping etc is a safer option than a blowtorch.. The middle of Lidl sometime have a cost effective temperatur controlled one.
                                  The lower contact temperature means you are less likely to overheat things. The lack of open flame means you are less likely to ignite any oil / grease / powered metal / something you didn’t notice behind the thing you are heating….

                                  Robert.

                                  #731945
                                  smntik
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                                    @smntik

                                    Hi all!!!

                                    Sorry for the delay in my response, but I lost forum link.

                                    I could only say THANK YOU all!!!! Super-happy to have been able to take out the chuck mainly with the responses of JasonB (mainly), Nicholas Farr and Hopper. I spent one week previously trying to take out and only spent some minutes after reading your wise advices.
                                    This forum seems to be a big family where people are very kind! I love it!

                                    Now having new problems for my artistic project (promise to show you when I can). Yesterday spent one hour till I could calibrate a tiny level for trying to level my lathe (seems difficult).

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                                    Thanks again and perhaps I will need some more advice. Here, in Melilla (Northern Africa), is difficult to find people interested in lathe skills.

                                    😊

                                    Last question: does somebody knows what are this screws in the back of the tail stock for? The cylinders that I machine with the lathe are conical (like tapered).

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                                    Best wishes!

                                    #731955
                                    MichaelR
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                                      @michaelr

                                      I think you may find that the two small screws that are aligned with the groove can be removed to allow you to remove the tailstock barrel.

                                      The large screw looks to be the lock for the tailstock barrel.

                                      MichaelR

                                      #731966
                                      Martin Connelly
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                                        @martinconnelly55370

                                        I would say that if the purpose of the level is to get the lathe ways parallel (without twist) then, as long as the level has the same reading along the ways, that is all you need to achieve. Just don’t rotate it from one position to the next.

                                        Martin C

                                        #731968
                                        Howard Lewis
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                                          @howardlewis46836

                                          If you are a newbie, try to buy at least one of the books on lathework, by folk such as Stan Bray, Harold Hall, or others.

                                          The basic principle are the same for most lathes; it is just the detail that changes from model to model.

                                          LH Sparey’s “The Amateur’s Lathe” mostly illustrates the Myford 7 Series, but gives the basic principles.

                                          Ian Bradley’s “The Amateurr’s Workshop” covers “levelling” a lathe, among many other things.

                                          David Clark, Dave Fenner and Neil Wyatt have all written books specifically about the mini lathe.

                                          Level.

                                          The sensitivity is determined by the radius of the vial, so not really capable of being “calibrated”. It is what it is!

                                          The technique in setting up a level is to adjust it so that when on a surface (Ideally level; or very close to it) the reading is the same when the level is rotated, end for end by 180 degrees.

                                          If, the reading is the same, say, one division, when facing either way, the level is “level”, i. e. Zeroed, and will show level when placed on a truly level surface. (I was lucky in being able to use a surface table in the Standards Room, to adjust mine).

                                          Although we talk of “levelling” a lathe, mostly, what we are really aiming for is to adjust the fixings of the feet so that there is no twist in the bed; to prevent work being tapered when turning.

                                          Tailstock Alignment

                                          When turning between centres, if the Tailstock centre is not properly aligned with the Headstock centre, the work will be tapered. (Sometimes, Tailstock offset is deliberately used to produce a taper. But most of the time we want between centres work to be turned parallel)

                                          The bed should be free of twist before trying to check and adjust Tailstock alignment.

                                          There should be screws that allow the body of the Tailstock to be adjusted, relative to the base, to bring the centres into line. Often, an alignment bar is used, between centres, and DTI set at centre height, on the Saddle or in the Toolpost, moved to and fro, along the bed, and the screws adjusred, (And locked against each other) until the DTI reading shows no variation when moved from Headstock to Tailstock).

                                          Some lathes, such as the C1 do not have the adjusting screws. When the Tailstock is removed, there is a  screw which clamps the Tailstock to the Base. This should be nipped up enough to prevent easy movement, and the Tailstock replaced, and the Base clamped in place on the lathe bed.

                                          The Tailstock body then needs to be adjusted, until the DTI shows no variation, by using something like a G cranp to adjust, or very careful rapping with a mallet. Parience is a virtue here!

                                          Once “Zeroed”, the Tailstock should be removed and the clamp screw tightened fully, before replacing and rechecking the alignment.

                                          The Tailstock centre should be hardened (Because it is stationary, whole the work is rotating, with gease applied for lubrication.

                                          The Headstock centre will be soft, so if need be, it can be skimmed up by offsetting the Top Slide, (30 degrees, to provide a 60 degree centre).

                                          FWIW, my advice, once you have the lathe set up, is to practice. Then start by making simple tools and accessories, A Tap Wrench, then a Centre Height Gauge (This will save you time when putting tools into the toolpost. PM me if you want to know how to make one and set it to Centre Height)

                                          Then, perhaps, you can make a Tailstock Sliding Die Holder (I cheated and bought a set of Die Holders, but made the body and arbor) You can use a drill chuck sliding on the same arbor to hold Taps.

                                          Basic tools, but usefdul and for gaining experience and confidence.  We all had to start from the beiginning, once.

                                          Howard

                                          #731974
                                          smntik
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                                            @smntik

                                            Thanks a lot, Martin Connelly. And thanks to Howard too. I’m learning a lot here. I am a newbie as you can see.
                                            Will PM you soon, Howard!

                                             

                                            Thanks again,
                                            Ruben

                                            #732273
                                            old mart
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                                              @oldmart

                                              Having a test bar with one end the same Morse Taper as the tailstock and centres in either end can make lining things up much easier. Also a bar of aluminium about 6″ long and of a diameter to fit in the chuck to take small skims for measuring. And the mag base with adjustable arms and a lever type indicator. I have just bought another Dasqua product, a mag base which is as good as all the other Dasqua products that Ihave bought.

                                              A lot of things to get, but they will last a lifetime.

                                              On another forum, one wag says “If you want to be a millionare, start with ten million and take up machining as a hobby”

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