3 HP DIGITAL 240V to 415V 3 PHASE INVERTER

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3 HP DIGITAL 240V to 415V 3 PHASE INVERTER

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    Andy Sproule
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      @andysproule22368

      Hi,does anyone have one of these from drives direct or knows about them,how good and reliable are they?They claim they can run 2 speed motors as well.

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      Andy Sproule
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        #287000
        Jez
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          @jez

          Hi Andy,

          I'm using a 3HP one to power my Bridgeport clone – only a single speed motor though.

          I installed it in early 2010 and haven't had any problems with it so far. (Only light amateur use!)

          I seem to recall the manual being ok, don't remember any issues programming it or arranging suitable controls.

          Jez.

          #287003
          Clive Foster
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            I've been running a 10 HP (nominal) "whole shop" 240 – 415 V system for the last 10 years or thereabouts without problems. Obtained used with, I think, a couple or three years of full time use under its belt.

            Using the machine controls to start-up with the inverter already running at 50 Hz rather than using the inverter controls with the inherent soft start does stress things a bit more but so far so good. Main point with the whole shop deal is to stay within the inverter design short term overload capacity. Basically don't try to start a motor of power more than half the inverter rating. Don't start a motor under load. Personally I'd derate further to 1/3 rd nominal power but accept things like directly coupled lathe spindles and bandsaw blades. My largest motor is 3 HP so thats what I do. The one on the Pratt & Whitney lathe is a two speed one too. Its not abuse unless you go too far in power demand. By the very nature of things any decent inverter has to be designed with significant short term over current capability before the DC voltage inside drops too far for proper operation.

            If you are running it on a single machine using the inverters own controls things are a lot more relaxed but ultimately the voltage doubling modifications do reduce the overload capability and, probably, maximum power output. If your machine is to be run flat out at full power derating the inverter a bit is probably a good idea. In practice derating comes automatically for most home shop types. We don't like to run our machines factory hard. If nothing else the chip blizzard at full chat is unpleasant.

            Clive

            #287065
            Andy Sproule
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              @andysproule22368

              Thanks for replies.Did you both get your units from Drives Direct?

              #287071
              Jez
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                @jez

                Yes, mine was from Drives Direct. Via eBay at first until I realised that I'd managed to buy completely the wrong unit. Dur. They were very helpful and after I'd returned the unit and paid some more money they shipped the right one…

                My 3HP converter is running a 3HP motor…

                One thing I'd like to add is a load reactor – there is quite a lot of high frequency noise from the motor, and it heats up quite quickly too. This isn't a criticism of the Drives Direct unit – it's common to all VFDs…

                I also (same caveat as above) had to add some filtering to the single phase input 'cause funny things started happening to our fridge / freezer when I used the mill!

                HTH…

                Jez.

                #287075
                Clive Foster
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                  @clivefoster55965

                  My inverter came off E-Bay. Sole bidder. A bit over 1/2 new price. I got the reactor / smoothing coils unit from Drives Direct. About £350 I think but never had any noise or other interference problems so well worth it. Found Drives Direct very helpful when discussing installation and filtering needs.

                  Once upon a time was supposed to be an electronics engineer (of sorts) and my analysis suggested that the reactor coils were virtually essential when running a larger VFD on smaller motors with long cables. Trying to use the variable frequency capabilities over more than a small range (±10 Hz maybe?) in that layout is probably not ideal. Not something I do anyway.

                  I put mine on a separate incomer upstream of the house and workshop consumer units using one of the little "garage" RCD and two MCB boxes. Definitely loads up the supply when it comes on!

                  I find it odd that such voltage doubling units aren't supplied off the shelf. There are no fundamental issues and, if designed for the job, turn on surge and input stage ripple could be better controlled than with the modified units.

                  Clive.

                  #287656
                  Jon
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                    Seems have same Plug and Play 7.5KW inverter Clive brand new £900, seen the price as of last year close on £2k.
                    Mine if I can get lathe spindle to run just about powers a 3hp motor so would say triple motor capacity for startup purposes no soft start contactors chatter in and out as voltage ups on initial power up.

                    Same with Transwave rotary 5.5HP convertor kept as backup, spindle slows at anything more than a cleanup cut.
                    For the short time I had it 1hr 25mins a 4KW 240v to 400V 3ph had similar issues with loading though not half as bad as Transwave at fairly close output power and price.

                    Not many know about the voltage doublers.

                    #287682
                    Mark Simpson 1
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                      I have had a direct drives 240 to 415 inverter for the last 5 years. My first big mill had a 3HP 2 speed motor and I decided on on of these (it was an old motor with a huge frame and very tough to change)

                      I since run a 2HP Colchester student and a 3HP KRV2000 mill from it wihout problems. Each machine has a 415 plug on it and I have a pendant control on a swivelling gantry to make it easily accesible from both machines.

                      The ancilliary bits on the Mill ( single phase 120v power feed and light) I found a tapping for on the orginal transformer in the control box which was wired from between two phases of the original supply (so 240v) to which I added a new mains plug, one of those yellow site tools transformers woudl do the same job.

                      Works well for me, and Dave at Drives Direct was very knowledgable and helpful

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