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  • #143849
    Michael Gilligan
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      @michaelgilligan61133

      Thanks Murray

      Thanks Les

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      #143888
      Neil Wyatt
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        @neilwyatt

        I have an old ME with an article on casting from lost wax patterns and using other things, such as beetle and leaves, as the patterns for jewellery. The principle being to get the mould really hot and keep it that way. The technique also involved using a wet asbestos pad to create steam to force the metal, melted in the mouth of the mould) (usually silver in this case) into the detail.Another method I have read about is whirling the mould around one's head on a string. Both methods sound decidedly risky to me.

        Neil

        #143904
        Jeff Dayman
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          @jeffdayman43397

          Hi Neil,

          Definitely getting and keeping the mould very hot for pattern bakeout and during pour is important in lost wax casting, certainly any of the times I have witnessed pouring in an investment casting foundry for industrial work the moulds were visibly at orange/white heat before pouring. A shield of flame from a gas burner was used on some pours directly over the pouring gate to minimize any oxidation of the melt as it was poured and afterward as the gates and sprues cooled. Some sort of grey powders were also sprinkled on the gates and flamed up after pouring.

          As to the asbestos, steam, and whirling moulds filled with hot metal, I would stay away from those items myself if doing any casting….

          Cheers JD

          #143915
          Billy Mills
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            @billymills

            Depends what you are casting, in what and how big, I do centrifical tin casting using a Centricast machine in rubber moulds, very safe and easy process. The machine is a very easy project to make in a SHED. But you need to make a few identical bits to be worthwhile. Moulds are 10" or 7" diameter.

            Alloy casting is now a low cost deal, there are several good furnace designs made from cement and cat litter on the web. Some people do lost plastic using plastic foam bits stuck together to produce oversize castings that can be machined down e.g. http://www.buildyouridea.com. Often the plastic foam is shaped with a hot wire cutter, all very suitable for real model engineers at home in their SHEDS. Mike Cox has some very well written projects on his excellent web site **LINK**. There is also the very good video series by "Myfordboy" on the tube that covers home casting.

            Billy,

            #143929
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133
              Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/02/2014 17:12:05:

              I have an old ME with an article on casting from lost wax patterns and using other things, such as beetle and leaves, as the patterns for jewellery.

              .

              Neil,

              Back in the days of M.A.P. Model Engineer published an excellent little booklet

              I bought mine in 1977, and I think it was still available [in the same editition] from MyHobbyStore until quite recently … May be time for an updated version ?

              MichaelG.

              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 14/02/2014 19:46:51

              #144182
              John Olsen
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                @johnolsen79199

                For the centrifugal casting technique, there is a safer approach using a spring loaded rotary arm with the mould on the end. I've seen it done commercially by a dental laboratory, complete with guards around the whole affair. Not impossible to build one at home. Another technique uses a vacuum pump to suck the air out through the porous bottom of the mould. The flask is just a piece of metal tube with the refractory mould cast into it, the metal is poured into the top and the vacuum is applied to the bottom…much nicer than messing around with water near molten metal.

                My own thinking on 3D printers is that I would be better to take my 3D model file to someone that has the right gear and get them to print it. This is the approach that I have taken with colour printing too, having found that whenever you want to use it, the jets are clogged and the cartridge goes dry while you try to clean it. It is much cheaper to let someone else do the prints, and because of economies of scale they will have better gear than I can afford. I suspect this will also apply with 3D printing.

                John

                #144188
                John Stevenson 1
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                  @johnstevenson1
                  Posted by John Olsen on 17/02/2014 04:37:30:

                  My own thinking on 3D printers is that I would be better to take my 3D model file to someone that has the right gear and get them to print it. This is the approach that I have taken with colour printing too, having found that whenever you want to use it, the jets are clogged and the cartridge goes dry while you try to clean it. It is much cheaper to let someone else do the prints, and because of economies of scale they will have better gear than I can afford. I suspect this will also apply with 3D printing.

                  John

                  HERETIC, smiley

                  Now how are we going to make excuses up to buy new toys ?

                  Says John S leaning with his cup of coffee against a 3' square x 4' hight all singing, all dancing colour A3 laser printer with 4 paper trays.Which cost less than the average service on an Audi wink

                  #144250
                  John Olsen
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                    @johnolsen79199

                    Sadly I can't afford to service an Audi, let alone to buy one in the first place.

                    John

                    #144251
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      Funny enough I was having a look through some of the items that have been printed on Shapeways website and among them were a few spare parts for Audis

                      J

                      #144280
                      Jeff Dayman
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                        @jeffdayman43397

                        Having fixed many a strange problem on Audis for co-workers over the years, I certainly would not want to own one. Never seen such odd bits of electronic gadgetry for simple things like door locks and windshield wiper delays. One such wiper control unit had 6 individual circuit boards packed in a metal enclosure on a base like a relay. A new replacement was out of the question for the owner as it was well over $2000 from the dealer, about 3 weeks' take home pay for the guy at the time. We ended up making a new delay wipe control based on the well known 555 timer IC and a few discrete components to replace the old one – total cost $8 including a heavy duty relay. Drilled a hole and mounted the pot shaft for adjusting the delay period under the lower lip of the instrument panel. He took the controller unit out when he sold the car and has fitted the unit in several cars since.

                        Another Audi had a really odd seal design between the fuel filler cap and the fill neck. We just could not get it to seal, and the car would not run unless the tank could have about a half a psi pressure built up in the fuel tank, so a seal was mandatory. The replacement was over $300 from the dealer and not guaranteed if there was any rust at all in the filler neck. We ended up adapting a seal off a small engine for a large portable concrete mixer that fit almost perfectly with a minor od trim and it sealed with no trouble, total cost $1.75.

                        We won't talk about the 24 ga headlight wiring that caught fire regularly on one lady's Audi, until we replaced it with normal 12 gauge wire as used for most headlight wiring on other cars of the time. Or the gearshift reverse interlock switch on one guy's Audi that was so close to the pivot it had to be set within about .0015" to work (until we modified it with some real world +/-.125" engineering)

                        Lovely memories of fixing some dismal but very expensive status symbol cars in cold Canadian parking lots usually in February. Just pretend you are in a garage made of ice blocks at the end of an aircraft wind tunnel. At the time you think you will never be warm again.

                        JD

                        #144369
                        John Olsen
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                          @johnolsen79199

                          German engineering is generally pretty good, except that there is always at least one thing that will make you say "what were they thinking of?". I said this to some German engineers when I was working over there for a couple of years, and they agreed that it was a fair comment…

                          Interestingly, they were all keen to ask about Japanese cars. They were aware that here in NZ we mostly see the Japanese stuff, and they had a high opinion of it. Apparently the ADAC (German AA) does a survey each year on which cars have the least problems, and apparently Toyota was cleaning it up every year around that time. (2000-2001) I had to point out that they would only be seeing the higher end models there, while here in NZ we get whatever is available on the Japanese secondhand market. Most cars in NZ are imported second hand from Japan after a few years service.

                          John

                          #144371
                          Muzzer
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                            @muzzer

                            Dangerous to generalise but anyway. Generally the Japanese and Korean companies are the top tier, followed by the Germans/GM/Ford in the middle and the likes of Renault, PSA, Fiat, Chrysler (and remember Rover?) etc at the bottom. Funny thing is that VW got away with making out they were very reliable yet were only ever average and more recently very poor (the power of marketing). Another funny thing is that Skoda (also part of the VAG group) made very much the same vehicles as VW but their vehicles were/are noticeably more reliable. I worry about Nissan, as they are co-owned by the same company that owns Renault.

                            Quality is a cultural thing that is very hard to change, much like a personality. Hondas are often referred to as the engineer's car! Yes, I have owned a long string of them, as well as a range of outliers for reference….

                            Merry

                            #144376
                            Gordon W
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                              @gordonw

                              3D printing must be here to stay , there was a question about it on a TV quiz show a couple of days ago !

                              #144377
                              John Stevenson 1
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                                @johnstevenson1

                                It will only be accepted when the media use size phrases like "its as big as xx double decker busses, football pitches or swimming pools.

                                #144386
                                MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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                                  @michaelwilliams41215

                                  The engineering in 1980 period top of the range SAAB’s was absolutely superb .

                                  The SAAB company at that time made no great distinction between it’s aircraft and car divisions and there was free interchange of staff , technology and new ideas .

                                  A few of you will know that there is a difference between engineering jobs designed to be just adequate and engineering jobs designed to be really good .

                                  The really good jobs don’t usually cost that much more – they just have more thought put into them .

                                  MikeW

                                  #144387
                                  Neil Wyatt
                                  Moderator
                                    @neilwyatt

                                    > 3D printing must be here to stay , there was a question about it on a TV quiz show a couple of days ago !

                                    That's nothing. It was a topic on Just A Minute last weekend!

                                     

                                    I made the mistake of buying a Rover because it appeared to be basically the same car as my previous Honda Integra. despite sharing a body shape, the Honda was the second best car I ever owned (after an RX7!) and Rover the second worst (just above a Marina).

                                    Losing Longbridge was a terrible blow for Birmingham, but the poor quality was the real problem, whoever was to blame.

                                     

                                    Neil

                                    Edited By Neil Wyatt on 19/02/2014 11:12:47

                                    #144403
                                    Bazyle
                                    Participant
                                      @bazyle

                                      At least with British Leyland you could use the same cheap replacement headlight over a 40 year period on a mini, MG, rangerover and Landrover.

                                      #144445
                                      Muzzer
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                                        @muzzer

                                        I had a GM-era Saab 9000 for less than a year. Lovely car, very comfortable and solid, lots of comforts. But after the engine grenaded a couple of times we found ourselves leaving the Saab at home when we had to go any distance and instead packing into a miserable Citroen diesel we'd been given. Eventually I saw sense, sold both and went back to Hondas. Paid my dad 2 grand for it, spent 2 grand on it, sold it for 2 grand and did less than 2000 miles. Would have been cheaper taking taxis. Never had a confidence problem since.

                                        The guy who forced the sale of Rover to BMW was the same idiot who oversaw the demise of Lord Weinstock's GEC. Rover was only a few years into a long journey to change their quality culture. Honda was never interested in owning them, just being a cross shareholder as is common with Japanese companies. Funny thing is that a Rover often cost more than its Honda equivalent. Used to make my toes curl when we were told to buy British. Said idiot was made a Baron for his services…..

                                        Absolutely disgusting the way Towers and his buddies sold off Rover assets for their personal gain and left the employees on their own. The final chapter of a shameful story.

                                        Edited By Muzzer on 19/02/2014 18:53:41

                                        #144475
                                        John Stevenson 1
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                                          @johnstevenson1

                                          Sequel to the Rover story is a few years ago I was in China in my endless search for the elusive two quid having volunteered to carry Ketans bags in return of said two quid, however it was not to be and I digress.

                                           

                                          We were collected from the airport in a luxury car and Ketan sat in the front with the driver and I sat in the rear in case the two quid slipped out his pocket and rolled onto the floor, sorry digressing again.

                                           

                                          Now I'm no car buff but this was nice leather seats central display, changing into reversing camera etc., before they became common, knew it wasn't a Merc or BMW because I've cut enough up in the Donald so thought Audi ? or some such. Getting out at the hotel and had a look and it was a Rowie [ Chinese can't say Rover – true ] and this was one of the first off the newly assembled Chinese production lines.

                                          We never had this model when we produced them and it had taken them only two years to move a plant halfway round the world and get it setup. Why couldn't we have done this ?

                                          Edited By John Stevenson on 19/02/2014 23:09:31

                                          #144492
                                          Les Jones 1
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                                            @lesjones1

                                            Here is a very good (In my opinion) video of the full lost PLA casting process.

                                            Les.

                                            #144512
                                            Michael Gilligan
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                                              @michaelgilligan61133

                                              Thanks for posting that, Les

                                              MichaelG.

                                              #145934
                                              Brian Wood
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                                                @brianwood45127

                                                Hello all,

                                                For those into these things, try this as a master class in 3D printing

                                                 

                                                **LINK**

                                                Regards

                                                Brian

                                                Moved from Garage door thread by JasonB

                                                Edited By JasonB on 04/03/2014 12:37:02

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