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  • #170011
    Ryan Norton
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      @ryannorton40317

      Julian

      What are your thoughts on return cranks of the following nature?

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      Instead of squeezing them on, having a locking bolt?

      Are there any disadvantages to this type of setup apart from the crank moving if it is not tightened properly?

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      #170040
      julian atkins
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        @julianatkins58923

        hi ryan,

        there is a very well established procedure for finding out the correct length of the eccentric rods once all the other valve gear parts are made and assembled. this procedure automatically sets the return crank in the correct position. once this position is established no further adjustment of the return crank will ever be necessary.

        so i would always then pin the return crank to the crankpin before going on to finally set the valve centrally in the steamchest.

        a pin through the side of the return crank through the centre of the end of the crankpin is i think preferable to LBSC's arrangement. if you add a split and a locking bolt as well (as per the above pic) then this might help set the return crank and eccentric rod lengths but personally i would add a pin as well after this has been done.

        it is probably obvious but a crankpin that has a return crank fitted should always be pinned to the wheel from behind (just in case!)

        cheers,

        julian

        #170072
        Weary
        Participant
          @weary

          I made my Tich with locking bolt on return crank as shown in the picture at the bottom of the previous page. It seems adequate to hold the return crank as nothing has moved. I chose this method as I liked the look, wanted an easily removable and adjustable return crank and was unsure of my fixing and adjustment skills at the time of construction. I guess you could arrange the fixing bolt to partially pass through one side of crankpin once the crank position was established if you wanted that look combined with a firm fixing.

          Regards,

          Phil

          #170130
          Ryan Norton
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            @ryannorton40317

            HI Julian/ Phil

            Thanks for the information.

            Here are the final valves, as machined.

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            #170136
            MK
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              @mk72051

              Great work on those valves.

              I'm working on the decorative bits right now.

              #171591
              Ryan Norton
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                @ryannorton40317

                I have been reading through LBSC's words and there is a fair bit near the end on driving the little loco. He indicates that initially, due to the cylinders being cold, there will be a fair amount of condensate that builds up in the cylinders and locks the wheels. This will get blasted out of the chimney if the wheels are turned, forcing the slide valves off their seats and allowing the water to escape.

                I am all for this, but would it not be more prudent to allow for drain cocks on this little loco?

                Has anyone made drain cocks for a Tich?

                #171631
                MK
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                  @mk72051

                  Hi Ryan,

                  I personally think that drain cocks would be a waste on Tich. I have only seen one 3 1/2" tich with drain cocks.

                  Cheers

                  Marinus

                  #171907
                  Ryan Norton
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                    @ryannorton40317

                    Ok so I decided to machine the steam chests from solid. I had the correct size material and thought it would be an interesting way of doing it.

                    Here are the embryo steam chests after being squared up in the mill.

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                    Here is a before and after look.

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                    I still need to machine the bolting surfaces down to the correct size, which is below the bosses. This will allow the chest to locate nicely on the cylinder. Also, still to machine is the inside of the chest.

                    Here are some pics with the chest on the cylinder.

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                    I also managed to finally bore out and tap the glands on the rear cylinder covers.

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                    #172273
                    Ryan Norton
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                      @ryannorton40317

                      Here are a couple of photos with nuts in place, just wanted to see what M2 would look like. I think I prefer it.

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                      Here are the machining and machined pics of the steam chest with one side done.

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                      #173964
                      PDBV
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                        @pdbv

                        I am also building a little Tich and i am following with great intrest

                        Im not at the stage of making anything yet, but im busy making drawings, ordering materials, and making a 3D mock up on my pc, so far all is going well

                        Keep up the good work

                        Pete

                        #174191
                        Graham Powell 1
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                          @grahampowell1

                          Happy New Year to all Tich builders. I have managed to acquire some very well done Tich parts but I did notice that there is the remains of a broken tap in one of the cylinders. Is there anyway of removing this without causing further damage to what is a very nicely done item?.

                          rgds

                          Graham Powell

                          #174197
                          David Haynes
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                            @davidhaynes53962

                            Do a search for alum – it dissolves ferrous but leaves non-ferrous alone, just a little cleaning up after.

                            #174272
                            Graham Powell 1
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                              @grahampowell1

                              Hi David,

                              Thanks for that. Will investigate further.

                              rgds

                              Graham Powell

                              #174340
                              Jeff Dayman
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                                @jeffdayman43397

                                Graham you have a PM

                                Cheers JD

                                #174414
                                Ian S C
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                                  @iansc

                                  You can get Alum at the Chemist, fine crystals, refined, Or go to the garden shop, it's coarser, but cheaper, you'll probably end up with a 1Kg bag of it, but it might be useful in the garden, I think you use it if the leaves are going a bit yellow.

                                  Ian S C

                                  #176208
                                  Ryan Norton
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                                    @ryannorton40317

                                    So I did some more work in December whilst on leave. Not much though but better than nothing.

                                    I am busy making an adaptor plate for the rotary table so that I can do some machining in the 3-jaw chuck.

                                    So Tich has taken a back seat.

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                                    I thought I would make the cylinder cladding as well, just to see what it looked like.

                                    I have some fantastic optical screws, 1.5mm and taps which I will be using to fasten the cladding to the sylinders

                                    #191353
                                    Ryan Norton
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                                      @ryannorton40317

                                      Has anyone included a blow-down valve on their Tich?

                                      The original drawings do not include for one and LBSC does not mention it in any of his "words and music".

                                      I am informed that this is a very important addition to the boiler and want to find out if any Tich owners have done the same.

                                      #191368
                                      Another JohnS
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                                        @anotherjohns

                                        Ryan, good work as always.

                                        Blowdown valves – I did put one just above the mud ring on the backhead, but to tell you the truth, I don't think I've ever used it – impossible to get to!

                                        Our water here is ok, in terms of suspended solids (so our club retired chemist says, anyway) so I do remove the safety, swish water around the boiler, and hold Tich upside down and let things drain out. Maybe not the best, but better than nothing.

                                        John.

                                        #191511
                                        Ryan Norton
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                                          @ryannorton40317

                                          Hi John

                                          Thanks for the advice.

                                          I thought I would show some amazing Tich model engineering photos.

                                          Very nice.

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                                          #193086
                                          Ryan Norton
                                          Participant
                                            @ryannorton40317

                                            Ok, so I have finally managed to complete my rotary table adapter plate enough to do some Tich work!

                                            See photo below

                                            20 rotary table adaptor plate.jpg

                                            So here is some machining of the front cylinder bosses:

                                            21 machining steam clearance in front cover boss.jpg

                                            Here are the holes as drilled in the cylinder and front cover

                                            19 drilling the covers.jpg

                                            Here are the holes being tapped

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                                            Here is a view through the bore. You can see how the machined portion allows communication between the bore and steam passages.

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                                            #193092
                                            Ryan Norton
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                                              @ryannorton40317

                                              The next step was to drill the holes in the Rear covers. Firstly I found the height of the cylinder bore as per below.

                                              25 finding center height of the cylinder.jpg

                                              This was then used to locate the guide bar hole at the correct height.

                                              26 locating the guide rod hole at center height.jpg

                                              Above you can see I have made a black mark with permanent marker on the interface between the two parts, this will be used as a locating point for future work.

                                              Below you can see a scribed mark which will be used for alignment

                                              27 marking the cylinder and rear cover.jpg

                                              A machined washer was then placed onto the cylinder face and aligned so the holes missed the steam passages. A mark was then made on the washer for location purposes.

                                              28 using a machined washer to lacate the rear cover holes.jpg

                                              The washer was then transferred to the rear cover boss and the two marks aligned for drilling.

                                              A quick check of the hole to the left of the red mark on the washer clearly shows that if drilled, it will clash with the boss. A new hole, further around the PCD was then drilled in order to provide for the correct clearance.

                                              29 locating holes on rear cover.jpg

                                              Below the rear cover has all holes drilled and tapped. You will notice that the screws on the left side are slightly closer together to allow for the clearance mentioned above.

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                                              Here are the front cover holes drilled and tapped.

                                              31 front cylinder holes drilled and tapped.jpg

                                              Here is a GA of the right hand side cylinder. All I need to do now is cut the screws to the correct length.

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                                              #193111
                                              MK
                                              Participant
                                                @mk72051

                                                That looks great Ryan

                                                Great idea of using the washer to locate the holes. I still have to drill the holes in the rear covers.

                                                #194467
                                                Ryan Norton
                                                Participant
                                                  @ryannorton40317

                                                  Here are another two views of the assembly, front and back.

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                                                  I then made a small jig to cut the screws to the correct length and file the chamfers etc.

                                                  These are the results:

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                                                  36 screws cut short rear covers.jpg

                                                  Here is a close up of the threaded valve and piston gland bosses and guide bar holes:

                                                  37 close up of the threaded gland bosses and guide bar holes.jpg

                                                  #194665
                                                  Ryan Norton
                                                  Participant
                                                    @ryannorton40317

                                                    Last night I cut some gaskets for the steam chest and cylinder interface. I have used 1/64 inch thick brown cardboard, that type we get as a backing on our exam pads here in SA. Should work a treat.

                                                    Here are two photos with the dry gaskets fitted. I will add the steam oil when I do the final assembly:

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                                                    39 cylinder and steam chest gaskets.jpg

                                                    I have also finally managed to anneal my outer wrapper copper and formed it to the boiler form.

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                                                    #196130
                                                    Ryan Norton
                                                    Participant
                                                      @ryannorton40317

                                                      I did the glands for the valve spindles and piston rods for both sets of cylinders two weeks ago. Here are the results:

                                                      40 complete left cylinder.jpg

                                                      41 right cylinder with glands.jpg

                                                      42 left hand cylinder with glands.jpg

                                                      I did not have hex bar so I used normal round rod. I will machine spanner grooves or drill some holes to suit a micrometer wrench later maybe, not sure if i really need it?

                                                      I have also been copper smithing and finally made more progress on the boiler.

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                                                      Above you can see the strap for the butt joint along the length of the barrel. I was going to place this inside but discussions at the club have lead me to believe it will be easier to braze if placed on the outside, so that's what ill do. I have included the two scrap throat plates in the pic as I am baffled. I made the first one and it ended up being too narrow, I thought I had made a measuring error, but when I double checked the measurement on the second one and the same result was obtained I could not believe it… I ended up adding an extra two millimeters to the width between the bend lines and it worked. (I still don't understand this)…

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                                                      Here the throat plate is clamped to the wrapper and the internal semi-circle traced onto the throat plate.

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                                                      Here is the throat plate after removal.

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                                                      Here is the throat plate in place with some of the rivets that will be used.

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