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  • #286225
    Ryan Norton
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      @ryannorton40317

      Thanks Neil!

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      #287493
      Ryan Norton
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        @ryannorton40317

        More progress on the boiler. I have turned the fire hole ring from solid.

        Once the final ring was complete, it was annealed and then squashed to correct dimensions as per the "words and music".

        The ring was then pickled in citric acid and brushed with a brass wire brush.

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        #334863
        Ryan Norton
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          @ryannorton40317

          Happy New Year to all of you out there!

          I had a fairly productive week of leave, for me at least! I did have a lot more on my list of things to do but I am happy with my progress and quality of work.

          I wanted to try something different, once again to keep the interest flowing. I made a start on the buffers in June but did not get very far due to other commitments and therefore finished these off last week. I managed to take a fair number of decent photos so I'll start off the new year with a photographic commentary on the buffer construction.

          Firstly, a bar of bright mild steel was cut up into lengths for the buffer bodies. These pieces were then turned to length using the top slide for accuracy.

          A tapped bush (3/8 x 40) was also made to hold the embryo buffer bodies for future turning operations in the 3-jaw chuck.

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          The pieces of rod were each turned down to size and threaded using a die.

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          Once all of the threaded portions were done, the embryo buffer body was screwed into the threaded bush and subsequent turning operations performed.

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          Once the outside profile was turned, a central hole for the spindle was drilled and the rest of the body drilled out so as to accept the buffer heads.

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          #334864
          Ryan Norton
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            @ryannorton40317

            Next up were the buffer heads. These were produced much the same way as described in the "Words and Music" by Curly. Two heads were produced head-to-head and then cut in half and finished up.

            The piece of 25mm bright mild steel bar was faced and centered in the four-jaw chuck and a center hole for a running center was drilled. The running center was then placed into the hole and the final diameter of the buffer heads was turned.

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            Once the final maximum diameter was turned, the overall length and length of shoulder was measured and marked, taking into account the requirement for the radius and taper required at the back of the head. The shoulder was then roughed out to the smallest diameter possible with the running center in place.

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            Once this diameter was reached, the running center was removed and replaced with a half dead center and the rest of the diameter was turned down to the final size.

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            After this operation, the lathe tool was changed and the radius and taper on the back of the buffer head was formed.

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            Once completed, a buffer body was used to test the fit of the head.

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            The center was then removed and the head was drilled and tapped M3 to accept the spindles and the rest of the head drilled out to accept the spring. The hole edge was slightly countersunk as well.

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            The tap was started in the tail-stock chuck and finished by hand.

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            Using the parting tool a slight groove was formed to act as a guide for the hacksaw later.

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            #334865
            Ryan Norton
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              @ryannorton40317

              The whole thing was then removed from the four-jaw, reversed and centered firstly by eye and then using the DTI on the already turned portion of the bar.

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              After truing up the piece, a center hole for the running center was drilled.

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              Now the same operations as before were carried out. (Take note of the transition between running center and half dead center)

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              The two halves were then parted using a hacksaw in the lathe. (Note: the lathe spindle was locked and the dead center inserted for support. The lathe bed was also protected using a wooden apron I have made for removing the chucks, holding tools etc.)

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              The head was then faced to the final length.

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              The opposite taper was then turned using the same tool used for the previous job.

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              The radii on either side were filed with a smooth file and the lathe running at about 20 rpm.

              The spindles were also cut to rough length and then faced to final length and chamfered.

              Here is a pic of some of the parts.

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              #334866
              Ryan Norton
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                @ryannorton40317

                Using the tail-stock chuck as a guide, the M3 die was held in the die holder and turning the lathe wheel by hand, the thread was cut.

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                All the pieces were completed as described above.

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                Here is a pic of the final assembled parts.

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                and one with a disassembled view…

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                Edited By Ryan Norton on 02/01/2018 09:26:08

                Edited By Ryan Norton on 02/01/2018 09:27:12

                #334869
                Ryan Norton
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                  @ryannorton40317

                  I have also decided to make octagonal supports which fit to the buffer holes on the buffer and drag beams. These will allow me to position the locomotive in various orientations making it easy to access certain parts when doing some of the fiddly installation jobs.

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                  #334870
                  Ryan Norton
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                    @ryannorton40317

                    The fire grate is nearing completion too.

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                    #334895
                    J Hancock
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                      @jhancock95746

                      Just a small point but perhaps worth some consideration for the future.

                      What is the best materiaL to use for screws /bolts for steam chest and regulator flanges ?

                      Having had brass seize and steel corrode I am now a stainless man.

                      #334912
                      Ryan Norton
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                        @ryannorton40317

                        Along with the construction of the buffers I also did some modelling of the lubricator and changed various imperial sizes to suit the metric material at my disposal.

                        Here are some pictures.

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                        #334915
                        J Hancock
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                          @jhancock95746

                          Any thoughts of disposing with the packed gland and fitting an 'O' ring on the ram instead ?

                          #334919
                          Ryan Norton
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                            @ryannorton40317

                            Hi J

                            I will definitely keep stainless steel fasteners and O-rings in mind.

                            Thanks.

                            #335041
                            David Taylor
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                              @davidtaylor63402

                              You're doing a great job!

                              Using a ratcheting/one-way bearing would make building the lubricator a lot easier than the old gear ratchet mechanism.

                              David.

                              #335392
                              Ryan Norton
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                                @ryannorton40317

                                And now for something completely different!

                                Following the "Words and music" I have made myself a firing shovel for Tich.

                                A bit premature I know but I figured that by the time Tich is ready to fire, the last thing I'll want to do is spend time making a shovel, so here it is now.

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                                The former is 6 mm mild steel, filed to the dimensions given and the shovel formed from 0.5 mm mild steel plate. The assembly was brazed using brass rod- at the max. of my capability at the moment.

                                All-in-all, a great, fun job which was quick and easy with minimum effort and fantastic results.

                                PS: Yes, I did test it in the fire hole and it does fit! wink

                                #335413
                                Clive Brown 1
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                                  @clivebrown1
                                  Posted by J Hancock on 02/01/2018 13:08:51:

                                  Any thoughts of disposing with the packed gland and fitting an 'O' ring on the ram instead ?

                                  Jim Ewins published a very effective and simple lubricator design in ME years ago. It uses O-rings for sealing the ram and for the check valve seating. A google search will find a sketch showing the layout.

                                  Just thought , might have been in EIM. Hope I'm forgiven for this transgression!

                                  2nd thought, a nice feature of this design was that the output could be adjusted by altering a small spacer between the 2 O-rings.

                                  Edited By Clive Brown 1 on 05/01/2018 09:49:19

                                  Edited By Clive Brown 1 on 05/01/2018 10:03:11

                                  #336184
                                  Ryan Norton
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                                    @ryannorton40317

                                    I have been doing a multitude of different things on Tich lately, two more of which, can be seen below.

                                    Firstly, a while ago I cut out and bent up a piece of brass for the left cylinder cladding which most of you will have seen in some of my earlier pictures. I then drilled the holes for attachment to the cylinders. What I don't understand is why I drilled the holes where I did because they fall on the joints between the steam chest any cylinder block and I therefore cannot use this piece.

                                    I decided to use this piece of useless cladding to do a paint test and here are the results.

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                                    The same can be said about the reversing column which was primed with black etch primer and then sprayed in signal red.

                                    What are the thoughts on the shade of green?

                                    The other thing I did was drill the radial holes in the valve gland bosses so that a micrometer spanner can be used to turn them.

                                    This was a fairly easy procedure as I made a tapped jig using a piece of hexagon brass rod which was used to drill the six holes evenly around the circumference of the boss by holding it on the flats in the vice.

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                                    #336230
                                    J Hancock
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                                      @jhancock95746

                                      Just a few thoughts for when you come to put the boiler together.

                                      If you want to bring the 'spear' of the superheater tube into the firebox then perhaps consider silver-soldering

                                      a small pre-tapped bronze plate to the top of the firebox. The 'spear' is attached( screwed) to the block.

                                      The purpose is to prevent the 'spear' overheating with obvious result.

                                      Consider how/what type of firedoor you will fit and best way to fit it.

                                      Consider best type of regulator to fit and how.

                                      #336822
                                      Ryan Norton
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                                        @ryannorton40317

                                        Hi J

                                        Thanks for your advice. Based on what you have said, the superheater would then need to be made longer to get it into the firebox. I assume that by attaching the spear to the firebox top, the thermal mass of the boiler would prevent the spear overheating? Surely by attaching it though, it would reduce the effectiveness of the superheater altogether?

                                        In chatting to some of the guys at my local club, it has been noted that special measures should be taken to prevent the superheater from touching the flue sides for this very reason.

                                        What are your thoughts?

                                        In terms of the regulator, and fire door, I will be doing these based on the "Words and Music" as depicted below.

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                                        In terms of the firedoor, instead of screwing directly into the backhead with "plumbers jointing" i will make separate bushes to accept these screws which will be silver soldered into the backhead.

                                        #336826
                                        Ryan Norton
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                                          @ryannorton40317

                                          This past weekend I managed to do a bit of work on the crown stays. They are now 95% done.

                                          I need to do a bit more careful bending before riveting to get them exactly right.

                                          The same procedure as the rest of the boiler plate work was followed. mark out, cut out, file to size, drill holes, anneal, bend, repeat.

                                          Finally they were pickled in citric acid and cleaned with a brass wire brush.

                                          Both stays came out pretty much exactly the same.

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                                          #336865
                                          J Hancock
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                                            @jhancock95746

                                            Just an observation and (another ) point for you to consider.

                                            I have a few 'problems' with the 3/16" tube from the regulator being screwed into the tubeplate bush.

                                            Consider extending it through the bush 'as tube' but using a silicone O-Ring to seal it , in a properly designed recess in the bush.

                                            All connections are now made accessible in the smokebox.

                                            I see the superheater spear is stopped well short of the firebox ,that's ok, a safe play.

                                            #337118
                                            Ryan Norton
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                                              @ryannorton40317

                                              Hi John

                                              Are you referring to something like this? John Baguley posted this drawing on ModelEng Proboards.

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                                              #337136
                                              J Hancock
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                                                @jhancock95746

                                                Yes, that is the idea.

                                                In your case , the O-ring must be silicone, or perhaps a PTFE ring, will cope with the tubeplate temperature well enough.

                                                Easy to experiment with different materials ,if necessary.

                                                #337176
                                                doubletop
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                                                  @doubletop

                                                  In the same setup as Ryans drawing I was advised to use a PTFE ring, by a guy who has made in the order of 30 boilers and fixed no end of others. I had an "OK if you say so" moment but went ahead and did it.. I've never had a leak and the wet header tube comes out easiliy if needed.So no experimentation require PTFE is recommended.

                                                  Pete

                                                   

                                                  Edited By Doubletop on 17/01/2018 19:11:38

                                                  #337189
                                                  Another JohnS
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                                                    @anotherjohns

                                                    Hi Ryan;

                                                    Just to add support to two recent posts:

                                                    1) My Tich – I did do the "screw-in" thing, but my regulator was a coarse thread 1/4", screw-down regulator (much like the blower valve, but larger) and it works fine. It's a large boilered Tich, so the regulator is like LBSC's Disc in a tube regulator, but with the screwed spindle.

                                                    2) I'm re-starting my 3-1/2" Martin Evans designed "Ivatt" and will most certainly use Doubletop's message – the boiler is done and tested, but PTFE ring not made yet.

                                                    On the Tich, sealing the regulator with all of those threads is a bit of an issue, and LBSC did not have PTFE or other newer materials available to him.

                                                    Oh, and you are GOING TO BUSH ALL holes where things thread into the boiler? Screwing directly into copper sheet is now recognized as a bad thing to do.

                                                    John.

                                                    #337193
                                                    julian atkins
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                                                      @julianatkins58923

                                                      Hi Ryan,

                                                      Your LBSC drawing on 15th January of the regulator arrangement would not be ok on a new build in the UK or Australia.

                                                      Instead of the copper backhead and smokebox tubeplate being threaded, bushes are now required which are threaded and silver soldered to these plates (the threading is only partly done before silver soldering the bushes to the plates).

                                                      The threaded smokebox end of the regulator steam pipe into a further threaded bush is quite tricky to do, and so I would also recommend John Baguley's arrangement.

                                                      I would silver solder a bronze tube to the smokebox end of the copper regulator steam pipe. (The regulator pipe should be of thick wall copper tube to accept the thread to screw into the regulator valve body). A screw driver slot can be added to the smokebox end which if bronze will be undamaged.

                                                      I am very interested in Pete's use of a turned PTFE bush to seal the smokebox end between regulator steam pipe and the wet header.

                                                      Cheers,

                                                      Julian

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