"that's why I work out of an old stable, didn't do Jesus any harm did it ?"

Ummmm … got a bit tricky for him in his early 30s but I suspect that you're past THAT hurdle by now!!

Rgds

Bill

If they have to move the issue number from the top left hand corner just for the sake of making a change (THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN ANY REASON WHY IT IS BEING MOVED.) then the top left hand corner of the back page would be my suggestion. Putting the new copies on the shelf with the spine to the back would enable the issue number to be seen.  Another point is it would appear that issue 209 has been out for over a week but the web page still shows issue 208 as being the latest.

Les.

Edited By Les Jones 1 on 03/11/2013 16:55:12

The words arrogant pig headed and bloody minded come to the fore.

David you may not be responsible for the decision regarding the issue number but by using 'we' in the above statement you've stuck your head above the parapet so look out for the bombardment.

This was Change for the sake of change and nothing else! I can see no commercial or sales advantage by moving the issue number, just a lot of p'd off readers.

We the readers,subscribers and contributors want OUR magazine unspoilt.

I'm all for change if it is purposeful well thought out and of meaningful value.

PUT THE BLOODY NUMBER BACK WHERE IT PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS BEEN!!!!!!!

The new position would make it easier to see for anyone who files ther mags in a binder, tucked down by the spine is not the ideal place for it in that case.

Anyway why all the fuss, ME has managed all these years without the issue number in the corner.

J

No I'm given MEW (digital) as a Perk so thumbing through magazines does not come into it.

.

There speaks a man who [it would appear] already knows

MichaelG

This edition looks more like an advertising brochure rather than a model engineering magazine.

I've already given up the ME in favour of EIM and would like to continue with MEW but I'm begining to have doubts.

John

I see that issue 210 has the number back near the top l/h corner.

Roy.

A comment about adverts. I don't look at them. Repeat – I don't look at them. Please, advertisers, take note: I do not look at them.

I don't generally watch TV ads either. In fact, I usually record a programme of interest for watching at a more convenient time in which case I fast forward over the adverts. But in those occasions where I do catch TV ads, I usually end up channel hopping until my wanted programme returns.

But, in more general terms, adverts can, and do, become outdated so adverts for Bloggs' Nut-Mangler version 20,947 will be of no use in 'x' divisions of time. Which means that if one keeps magazines as a reference source, one will end up keeping a lot of useless paper holding out of date information and taking up valuable space. I don't know the current situation with ME, but I do know that in the days when I used to take it, all advertising was limited to the front and rear pages thus enabling one to remove these pages thus reducing the storage space required.

There is another point. By virtue of adding this post, it shows that I have access to the internet. Which in turn means that I can access suppliers websites and, most importantly, browse the latest "stuff" and the latest prices. Therefore the only reason for having magazine adverts is, for me, to show which suppliers are available.

So, advertisers and magazine producers, please stick all the ads either, or both, at the front and/or the rear of the magazine. Then I won't be wasting my time leafing through magazine content of which I have absolutely no interest.

Now before I get jumped on, I fully realise that both in the case of the magazine, and non-BBC TV programs, it is the advertising that pays for the media concerned to be produced so I'm not suggesting that it be done away with: simply that it be placed (for the magazine) where it can be easily removed.

As regards the position of the magazine number, it was indeed very nice, and convenient having it at the top left hand corner. But I don't remember ME having anything similer, although I do recall that both the date and the issue (Volume & Page?) were reasonably easy to see. I actually use a homemade database into which I insert a record of any article which I think may be of interest or use at some later date. This database includes references to the Issue Number, Page and Date. Furthermore, if any article seems to have particular immediate or near future use, it is copied into the computer for either re-rereading or printing as and when required. Thus, provided all magazines are kept in date order, and are correctly replaced, then it does become easy to locate any particular subject matter. I note that someone has included a photo of their magazine store: I use two large cereal boxes per set of magazines with the Issue Number range of that particular set written on self-adhesive labels on the front. It does require a certain amount of self-discipline, but it does work for me with something of the order of 30 years worth of magazines.

The issue of the contents page is a tricky one. I can see why the publishers and advertisers want to include additional content, but really, the best place for a contents page is on Page 3 where one can read it simply by opening the first, cover, page. Please put it back.

Rather cynically, I do wonder if some. or all, of these changes have been caused by some bright-eyed bush-tailed youngster straight from an MBA and wishing to make his, or her, mark, and who simply does not understand what the magazine is all about.

Regards,

Peter G. Shaw

John,

Please read my paragraph 6 above.

Peter

Neil,

In the '80's & '90's, maybe into the '00's as well, ME managed it quite nicely as I remember tearing out two or three pages at both ends. Given that the magazine is A4 size, these were A3 sheets which were completely full of ads (and I think something like Club News). The point is that, yes, you can't get rid of all the ads, but by intelligent layout of the magazine, it was possible to remove two or three pages at each end and thus reduce the magazine thickness. Ok, it may have only have been pages 5&6, 7&8, 9&10 plus the equivalent ones at the rear, but it represented a worthwhile saving. That's all I am asking for as after a few months, the ads are obsolete.

Regards,

Peter

Adverts – that is good adverts are really interesting and informative. I have bought eg aeromodelling mags in the past specifically to see the adverts and costs of things. Perhaps that was more before the internet.
Old ads are often interesting too, to see how prices changed and what was around. There are often comments about old lathes being of such and such a date because there is an advert in a 1930 ME etc. There are some bound copies of old MEs that have the ads ripped out which I think is desacration.

It would be nice if advertisers would make their input more interesting and informative though. Nowadays a good publisher would have a system where the trader could drop a new advert into a prearranged slot the day before printing giving up to the minute offers .

Edited By Bazyle on 21/11/2013 13:44:12