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  • #652742
    Margaret Trelawny
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      @margarettrelawny34058

      Hello

      I need a 14.5mm end mill (square cut) – but can’t find one at a suitable price (it will probably be only used once) and don’t want to pay the high cost.

      could anyone advise me of the imperial equivalent of this size please? I am hopeless with engineers tables – there may be a more cost effective version more readily available in UK.

      many thanks

      Margaret

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      Margaret Trelawny
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        #652744
        Jeff Dayman
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          @jeffdayman43397

          14.5 mm divided by 25.4 = .5708 inches. Nearest inch size std endmill would be 9/16" or .5625". Bear in mind that endmills often do not cut to their exact diameter. If you are trying to produce an exact 14.5 mm hole or slot you may have to make a few cuts with a smaller endmill to reach the desired size feature. Hope this helps.

          #652745
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            There is no direct imperial cutter, the nearest would be 9/16" which is 14.29mm

            What is it you ar edoing that needs that specific size particularly an end mill as that is not use dfor slots which may have a width or half round end that determines the diameter.

            If it is just a through slot use something narrower say 12mm or 1/2" to mill down the middle and then offset each side to bring your slot to width

            #652748
            Margaret Trelawny
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              @margarettrelawny34058

              Thanks Jeff and Jason – the 9/16 route would be perfect @14.29mm because that is the exact size of the tube which needs to fit into the hole.

              I am making (or attempting to!) a collar – which will have a 14.29 tube sticking out of one end and a 9mm the other. The reason for using an end mill rather than a drill (on the lathe) is that the collar is only 10mm deep and a drill, with the chamfered end, will leave a cone shaped hole which is no good. With me? Hard to explain.

              Another couple of questions before I embark on this madness:

              1: would you recommend drilling a pilot hold before the end mill goes in? If so what size?

              2: is it ok practice to use an end mill in a lathe? (Milling brass) – rather than a mill? I only have a small hobbyist mill and not sure I have a suitable collett for such a big end mill.

              Thank you all – I woule be lost without this forum – you are all a wonderful resource.

              Margaret

              #652750
              Andrew Tinsley
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                @andrewtinsley63637

                Margaret,

                You will need a slot drill if you want to plunge cut a hole, They have two cutting faces. You can get a cutter with three cutting edges that can also do a plunge cut. You are better off with a slot drill to cut a slot as it will cut to size, An end mill will cut oversize.

                Andrew.

                Edited By Andrew Tinsley on 18/07/2023 14:42:54

                #652751
                Margaret Trelawny
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                  @margarettrelawny34058

                  Thank you Andrew!

                  #652752
                  Margaret Trelawny
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                    @margarettrelawny34058

                    Would this be no good Andrew? Not sure of the difference between and end mill and slot drill!?

                    #652753
                    Bill Phinn
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                      @billphinn90025
                      #652756
                      Margaret Trelawny
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                        @margarettrelawny34058

                        Thanks Bill. I have purchased it 👍🍻

                        #652759
                        Margaret Trelawny
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                          @margarettrelawny34058

                          Would you gentlemen recommend I drill pilot holes before going in with the 9/16 slot drill? I guess these would have to be drilled with smaller slot drills?

                          #652762
                          Clive Brown 1
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                            @clivebrown1
                            Posted by Margaret Trelawny on 18/07/2023 15:13:56:

                            Would you gentlemen recommend I drill pilot holes before going in with the 9/16 slot drill? I guess these would have to be drilled with smaller slot drills?

                             

                            Yes, I would do so, at least a small pilot hole, around,say, 3 or 4mm. diameter, could this be with a normal drill? Also remember that a 9/16" slot drill will exert a considerable cutting force and might well grab the workpiece. The whole set-up needs to be very well clamped, and rigid to avoid mishaps. Bench drills and milling cutters are not good companions.

                             

                            Edited By Clive Brown 1 on 18/07/2023 15:25:12

                            #652763
                            old mart
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                              @oldmart

                              I would certainly reccommend making the hole as near as possible to the finished size first. A drill could be used to get to 1/2" if you have one, or smaller end mills. Several stages would work fine, but as already mentioned, the hole might be bigger than the 9/16" expected by a small ammount depending on how sharp the last cutter is. Precision holes are normally produced by reaming or boring the last bit.

                              #652765
                              Anonymous

                                I would centre drill and then drill, say 6mm diameter, to just short of final depth. Then one could use a ~10mm centre cutting endmill and finally the 9/16" slot drill. Personally after drilling I would use a short HSS boring bar. That way one gets a hole exactly to the size wanted and with a truly flat bottom. Slotdrills and endmills are ground slightly concave on the end.

                                When using a slotdrill as a "drill" in brass one needs to be careful in case the tool grabs. They are better than normal twist drills (due to a slower helix) but not as good as the slow helix drills specifically for brass and bronze.

                                Andrew

                                #652767
                                Margaret Trelawny
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                                  @margarettrelawny34058

                                  Thank you gentlemen for your suggestions.

                                  Andrew – could you post a link to the right short HSS boring bar I could use pleaee? Sorry if that’s stupid question – I am very new to this.

                                  Many thanks

                                  Margaret

                                  #652769
                                  Margaret Trelawny
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                                    @margarettrelawny34058

                                    Would I be better using a smaller slot drill – then using an HSS boring bar to get it to 9/16? Rather than using the 9/16 slot drill?

                                    #652771
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb

                                      As you don't have the 9/16" cutter and say you are unlikely to use it again I would the boring bar option

                                      Spot drill then drill say 6mm, 10mm and 12mm or whatever you have and then use a boring bar to bore a flat bottomed hole that can be tweaked to get the fit you want on your tube.

                                      8mm shank bar and a CCGT 060204 insert

                                      Edited By JasonB on 18/07/2023 16:18:36

                                      #652772
                                      Ramon Wilson
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                                        @ramonwilson3
                                        Posted by Margaret Trelawny on 18/07/2023 15:49:57:

                                        Would I be better using a smaller slot drill – then using an HSS boring bar to get it to 9/16? Rather than using the 9/16 slot drill?

                                        Though I often use a cutter to open a hole as you suggest this would be a much better way to achieve what you intend. There is no guarantee that an endmill or slot drill for that matter would give you the exact size you seek – you will only know after you have machined the hole – using a boring bar (if used carefully) will.

                                        A small boring bar can be made from a worn slot drill – I have an image somewhere so will try to find it for you.

                                        Tug

                                        #652774
                                        Ady1
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                                          @ady1

                                          A 14.5mm end mill is pretty massive for hobby purposes

                                          I would drill most of it to 12-13mm and then bore

                                          #652777
                                          Ramon Wilson
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                                            @ramonwilson3

                                            It took a while to find –dscf5574.jpg

                                            The flutes on a slot drill are ground back to leave just one tip and that is then used as a short boring tool.

                                            (The reason this is cutting backwards is that the part being turned is screwed onto the rear part with the inlet tube)

                                            Old slot drills and three flute end mills make ideal 'home made' cutters if you are up for using an off hand grinder

                                            Hope that helps – Tug

                                            #652780
                                            Bill Phinn
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                                              @billphinn90025
                                              Posted by Ramon Wilson on 18/07/2023 16:43:29:

                                              Old slot drills and three flute end mills make ideal 'home made' cutters if you are up for using an off hand grinder

                                              How is the one in your picture held in the toolpost, Ramon? In a square profile holder with a slit?

                                              #652781
                                              Margaret Trelawny
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                                                @margarettrelawny34058

                                                Thanks for all your replies. After much thought, I am going to drill 6, 8, 10mm then use a boring bar to size – the posts about the parts grabbing the slot drill/end mill worried me a little!

                                                appreciate all your input everyone.

                                                thanks Ramon for the pic of the old slot drill bore. I am not confident enough yet to make one of those!

                                                #652793
                                                duncan webster 1
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                                                  @duncanwebster1

                                                  For a small number and if the tolerance wasn't too tight I'd grind a drill to have a flat end. It doesn't have to cut to the centre as there is a 9mm hole right through if I've understood it, so drill 9/16 to nearly full depth then bottom it with a flat end drill. Of course this means having a spare 9/16 drill, or a lot of drill grinding. Alternative is to make a D bit, but I've never used one in steel at that diameter, so I'll leave others to advise.

                                                  #652796
                                                  Ramon Wilson
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                                                    @ramonwilson3

                                                    Bill, It's held in a Myford QC holder for boring tools – the type that has a vee groove machined in the lower face.

                                                    Margaret – Good luck with your taskyes If you can learn how to use an off hand grinder to shape HSS then you will have a huge 'extra' to call on in future. Just bear in mind you won't necessarily get it right at first but keep trying and you will. Also bear in mind it's only the very tip of the tool doing the cutting that has to be right – what's to the side and behind it is just support

                                                    Best – Tug

                                                    #652801
                                                    Anonymous
                                                      Posted by Margaret Trelawny on 18/07/2023 15:41:32:

                                                      Andrew – could you post a link to the right short HSS boring bar…

                                                      I don't buy ready ground HSS tooling, just blanks, so can't post a link. What I have done over the years is beg, buy or liberate boxes of used HSS tooling. So when looking for a specific tool there is often something fairly close that I can adapt on the bench grinder. A quick look in the pile of HSS by the lathe found this, which will do the job:

                                                      boring_bar.jpg

                                                      I'm not sure what material you are machining, is it brass? If so then the tool can be even simpler, just grind a radius that is equal to 1/4" on the bottom corner of a 1/4" square HSS blank, square off the end and that will do the job. No top rake is needed for brass.

                                                      Andrew

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