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    Mick B1
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      Posted by Neil Wyatt on 26/04/2018 09:35:12:

      Don't forget the point of them was throwing a heavy projectile up and over defences, so huge accuracy wasn't important and range didn't need to be far.

      Even at just 100 metres per second, the range would be a kilometre d=v^2/g=100×100/9.8=~1000

      I suspect that achieving a few hundred metres range inn practice would be ample for most purposes.

      That's not far from what I was thinking.

      But this was a big, heavy thing, taking a lot of the King's horses and men to move, at a time when the infantry's rifle-muskets were starting to reach out to similar ranges. I can't see it would've had much margin at a kilometre or so.

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      SillyOldDuffer
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        Posted by Mick B1 on 26/04/2018 15:35:01:

        Posted by Neil Wyatt on 26/04/2018 09:35:12:

        Don't forget the point of them was throwing a heavy projectile up and over defences, so huge accuracy wasn't important and range didn't need to be far.

        Even at just 100 metres per second, the range would be a kilometre d=v^2/g=100×100/9.8=~1000

        I suspect that achieving a few hundred metres range inn practice would be ample for most purposes.

        But this was a big, heavy thing, taking a lot of the King's horses and men to move, at a time when the infantry's rifle-muskets were starting to reach out to similar ranges. I can't see it would've had much margin at a kilometre or so.

        They weren't used like that. Mortars are short-range weapons used to lob a heavy explosive shell over an obstacle. They were mostly used against fortified positions and to do that were themselves positioned under cover. Not an easy target for small arms.

        This example from the Crimean War shows a mortar dug in below ground level.

        mortar.jpg

        3 or 4 others would be nearby and arranged to drop shells into a particular part of a fortification a few hundred metres away.

        This is what a gun-battery looks like after it's been mortared. It's guns, which would far out-range a mortar in the open, can be seen to be well protected against incoming horizontal fire, but they are highly vulnerable to shells falling from above. The effect depends on the shell exploding inside the battery: it doesn't matter that the shell travels so slowly you can see them coming. Note that conventional guns cannot counter-attack entrenched mortars.

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        Getting mortars close enough to do this damage was arduous and dangerous work; the technique was dig a long series of trenches angled to prevent infiltration and then man-handle the mortars into position. Could take months.

        In the classic age of siege warfare it was common for fortresses to surrender as soon as the mortars were ready to open fire. The fortress was considered to be indefensible and gentlemen did not kill each other once honour was satisfied. In the event that a fortress had to be stormed after dishonourably refusing to surrender, the rules said it was OK to slaughter the entire garrison. What fun!

        Infantry have a rather different role, and their light weapons aren't of much use most of the time. Small-arms haven't decided a high-intensity operation for over a century; the other guy has to be softened up considerably before it's safe to get close enough.

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        Dennis Rayner
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          May I suggest, as someone who used to work there, that a visit to Fort Nelson which overlooks Portsmouth is well worth a visit. It houses the Royal Armouries collection of artillery with hundreds of exhibits ranging chronologically from a gun from 1436 through to parts of the Iraq "supergun". As you approach the Fort you will see the huge Mallet's mortar which could be dismantled for transport.

          As a bonus, entrance is free!

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          Mick B1
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            Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 26/04/2018 16:45:48:

            Infantry have a rather different role, and their light weapons aren't of much use most of the time. Small-arms haven't decided a high-intensity operation for over a century; the other guy has to be softened up considerably before it's safe to get close enough.

            Not now maybe, but we're looking at the mid C19! I seem to remember smallarms had some sort of a role at Gettysburg, for example…

            Probably the most effective use of big mortars was shipborne on "bomb vessels" to attack harbour fortifications in the late 18th/early 19th C.

            But hey, I don't wanna spiral off-topic too far – it's an outstanding model Richard's made.

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            SillyOldDuffer
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              Posted by Mick B1 on 26/04/2018 17:39:20:

              Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 26/04/2018 16:45:48:

              Infantry have a rather different role, and their light weapons aren't of much use most of the time. Small-arms haven't decided a high-intensity operation for over a century; the other guy has to be softened up considerably before it's safe to get close enough.

              Not now maybe, but we're looking at the mid C19! I seem to remember smallarms had some sort of a role at Gettysburg, for example…

              Probably the most effective use of big mortars was shipborne on "bomb vessels" to attack harbour fortifications in the late 18th/early 19th C.

              But hey, I don't wanna spiral off-topic too far – it's an outstanding model Richard's made.

              Agree Richard's made an excellent model – artillery is an interesting and attractive subject.

              Curiously, Part 3 of 'Gettysburg' with Martin Sheen is on telly at the moment. I'll know who won when it finishes at 9pm!

              Returning to small-arms, yes indeed more significant early on. But wasn't Gettysburg lost because Lee's artillery ran short of ammunition causing Pickett's Division to attack uphill through a hail of unsuppressed Union cannon and rifle fire? Nasty.

              Battle dioramas are a good subject for modelling too. Shame so few of us have the room!

              Dave

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