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  • #495657
    Nigel (egi)
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      @nigelegi

      The firebox has now been assembled in mild steel, I cold formed the wrap around the bulkheads.

      Burrell firebox

      I wired and bolted the parts together before silver soldering them. Apologies if the additions are a bit hit and miss, I'm adding them as I go, but they are listed in a different order on the 1/20th scale Burrell page, still work in progress.

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      #495667
      noel shelley
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        @noelshelley55608

        As to drawings! Bassett lowke did a 1.5" scale Burrell traction engine. This may help as the drawings were done in 1949 I think. Give me a PM. Noel.

        #496395
        Nigel (egi)
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          @nigelegi
          Posted by noel shelley on 13/09/2020 23:24:06:

          As to drawings! Bassett lowke did a 1.5" scale Burrell traction engine. This may help as the drawings were done in 1949 I think. Give me a PM. Noel.

          Hello Noel, thanks for the note, have dropped you a PM. I'm still developing the design and drawings as I go, but any info to help would be great. Thanks, Nigel

          #498390
          Nigel (egi)
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            @nigelegi

            Just arranging the main parts on top of the drawing with my scribbles and ideas

            Miniature 1/20th Scale Burrell

            As someone kindly pointed out, not sure if this shows how much I have achieved or just how much I have to do. I'm pleased having made all four wheels, but the boiler, firebox and smokebox are taking a lot of time. The doors and hinges are just so small. Hopefully they won't look too chunky.

            The firebox was fun to make and the fire door is taking some time, my original idea on the left and my latest door side hinge in the right hand side image

            firebox door for the Burrell

            #503448
            Nigel (egi)
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              @nigelegi

              Just spent the day working on the firebox door hinge and latch, still needs some fettling, but feels like a good point to share.

              #512766
              Nigel (egi)
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                @nigelegi

                I've been back to the smokebox door and finally gave up on the idea of engraving the lettering. Some playing around with etching using ferric chloride has given some great results. I'm gradually building up and adding more references to a page on etching brass using this technique

                brass etched door

                It's not perfect, but I'm happy with the results. I then silver soldered on a hinge

                smokebox door

                I need to file this and clean up, but the brass plaque on the door is just 35mm across, this feels ok. I might just use a graver to tidy up the edges of the lettering where the silver solder has flowed across.

                #512792
                RichardN
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                  @richardn

                  Looks a tidy etch and makes good detail on the model.

                  Out of interest, is there an issue with etching after soldering the hinge? Is there a reaction there, or were you hoping for less solder creep? Asking before I try to copy your techniques!

                  #512909
                  Nigel (egi)
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                    @nigelegi

                    Hi Richard,

                    I was hoping for less creep, not sure about etching after silver soldering. It should be ok, but might be worth using a limited amount of fluid as might be a one shot use. Might be worth just creating a part, silver soldering it and trying it before repeating on the main project.

                    I will just use a magnifier and graver to repair the damage.

                    If you try it, let me know and will add to my page, great to build the knowledge somewhere other than just in forums.

                    Cheers, Nigel

                    #517857
                    Nigel (egi)
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                      @nigelegi

                      I had another look at the lettering on the door and decided it wasn't quite right in terms of font or in terms of etching. So I had some help from my son to create the original image in Inkscape (free to use vector drawing software) and we downloaded the font Rajdhani from google fonts. This isn't perfect as the original lettering I'm sure was created by hand in wood and you can see in photographs of the doors that the letters and spacing changes. However, at 1/20th scale we were not going to be able to get to that level easily. Inkscape allows you to change the spacing of the letters and this helps when they lay on a circular path.

                      smokebox door for the Burrell

                      In particular the letter "C" has a form where the ends curl around and the "R" has the leg form that is closer to the original. The quotes are from another font to get the dot and curl formation.

                      #517876
                      Tony Wright 1
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                        @tonywright1

                        Hello Nigel ,

                        Its great to see someone showing models on the site ! Instead of the usual boring subjects . After all it’s called model engineering ! Not what lathe etc should I buy . The only downside with the smaller traction engine is when people say is it a Mamod !! I built a Minnie TE a while back even had people saying to me is it one of those Mamods ? Never mind keep up the good work.

                        Best regards Tony.

                        #517889
                        Jeff Dayman
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                          @jeffdayman43397

                          The door etching and font choice look great Nigel !

                          #517973
                          Nigel (egi)
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                            @nigelegi
                            Posted by Tony Wright 1 on 06/01/2021 13:13:39:

                            Hello Nigel ,

                            Its great to see someone showing models on the site ! Instead of the usual boring subjects . After all it’s called model engineering ! Not what lathe etc should I buy . The only downside with the smaller traction engine is when people say is it a Mamod !! I built a Minnie TE a while back even had people saying to me is it one of those Mamods ? Never mind keep up the good work.

                            Best regards Tony.

                            It is about the size of a Mamod, maybe even a bit smaller. The rear wheels are 97mm OD

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                                #517993
                                Tony Wright 1
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                                  Hello br, Re Minnie long gone I’m sorry to say .Had to sell it due to lack of funds . But if anyone has any problems with the design please give me a shout. Tony.

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                                    #518009
                                    Tony Wright 1
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                                      When did I go off topic ?

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                                        #518019
                                        Nigel (egi)
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                                          @nigelegi

                                          So, this pm I spent some quiet time machining the front axle, 3/16 inch square mild steel, turned down to 4mm at ends for wheels to run on. Then machined 0.6degree taper on the square axle – I did this by first machining an angle plate at 0.6 degrees and then using this to align the axle for each face. Luckily the centre 14mm of axle is square and not tapered, hence allowing me to use the same reference wedge.

                                          Burrell front axle

                                          I need to make a washer for the end on each side and straps for the steering chains. I've used a brass bolt for the pivot pin, but might change this to a plain pin and "split pin" – might be fun at 1/20th scale.

                                          #518020
                                          Nigel (egi)
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                                            @nigelegi
                                            Posted by br on 06/01/2021 16:57:50:

                                            Mamod rear wheels just a tad smaller at 92mm o/d

                                            br

                                            Edited By br on 06/01/2021 16:59:19

                                            OK, thanks, so slightly larger than a Mamod

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                                              #518037
                                              Nigel (egi)
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                                                @nigelegi

                                                Thanks br

                                                This engine is 263mm long (10.35inches), 122mm wide (4.8 inches) and 176mm high (6.93 inches)

                                                so in round numbers very close to the Mamod. Sadly, I only have the Mamod lorry and so cannot put them side by side.

                                                #518054
                                                Roger Best
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                                                  @rogerbest89007

                                                  Good progress, amazing stuff.

                                                  If you take a front-on view of the Steam Wagon next to your engine I am sure we will see the difference in proportions, especially if you take the body off the Wagon.

                                                  #518068
                                                  noel shelley
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                                                    @noelshelley55608

                                                    Nice work Nigel ! Bassette Lowke did a set of drawings in1.5 scale in the late 40s, I have a set. If they would help PM me. They are very detailed. Noel

                                                    #518264
                                                    Nigel (egi)
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                                                      @nigelegi

                                                      Sorry, no photo of it alongside a Mamod, but did get to make the inner wheel hubs, using my Unimat Pillar drill and simple dividing feature embeded in the table base.

                                                      Unimat pillar drill

                                                      and a closeup of the dividing feature

                                                      dividing head feature in unimat drill

                                                      and then finally these thin brass wheel inner hubcaps fitted to the wheels and the axle now with a steel end hub soldered to the main axle

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