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  • #434173
    Former Member
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      #9899
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        #434178
        Bizibilder
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          @bizibilder

          They should have those specified numbers of holes in them – possibly in the back?

          #434181
          Emgee
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            @emgee

            unimat 3 indexer.jpg0019.jpg

            The plate is fitted between the  screw on chuck and the indexing head, the holes go to the back which allows the indexing pin to be located in any of the holes when revolving the chuck/shaft assembly, the degree scale provides a guide to the position.

            The bottom pictured Unimat SL indexing head the discs with indentations on the circumference are fitted into the back of the head and locked onto the shaft so when revolved the indexing pin locates the indents to allow indexing of the circle, depending of course on the number of indents on the ring, I regularly use 1 with 24 indents.

            Emgee

            Edited By Emgee on 21/10/2019 15:40:03

            Edited By Emgee on 21/10/2019 15:56:14 added pic

             

            Edited By Emgee on 21/10/2019 16:08:13

            #434191
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              Further to Emgee’s post …

              This has some useful pictures of the internals [of the SL version] **LINK**

              https://www.nielsmachines.com/en/emco-unimat-sl-dividing-head.html

              MichaelG.

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              Edit: It is disappointing to see how different the Unimat 3 version is:

              https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EMCO-3-INDEXING-DIVIDING-HEAD-4-PLATES-TOP-COND-NOW-30-00-OFF/143405046109

              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 21/10/2019 16:52:11

              #434205
              Ian P
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                @ianp
                Posted by Michael Gilligan on 21/10/2019 16:46:43:

                Further to Emgee’s post …

                This has some useful pictures of the internals [of the SL version] **LINK**

                https://www.nielsmachines.com/en/emco-unimat-sl-dividing-head.html

                MichaelG.

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                Edit: It is disappointing to see how different the Unimat 3 version is:

                **LINK**

                Edited By Michael Gilligan on 21/10/2019 16:52:11

                I suppose that if there are no holes or other detents in the plates shown then one would have to describe this amazing Emco product as an 'Optical dividing head'.

                The seller seems averse to showing what the body looks like but it looks to have a very short spindle

                Ian P

                #434209
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133

                  Posted by Ian P on 21/10/2019 17:16:30:

                  […]

                  I suppose that if there are no holes or other detents in the plates shown then one would have to describe this amazing Emco product as an 'Optical dividing head'.

                  .

                  laugh

                  Not quite in the same league as my Leitz one

                  MichaelG.

                  #434210
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    As Emgee says the back have different mumbers of holes for indexing.

                    20191021_172014[1].jpg

                    Though the fronts only have angular graduations not hole numbers.

                    Not sure what is disappointing about the U3 but having one edge that fits directly to the lathe bed was often usefull to me in the past as were the other mounting options eg the two cap heads that can be seen allow it to fit the cross slide. As well as the ability to set it to any angle as shown on the face of the wheels not just what was covered by the index holes. having the standard M14 x 1 spindle nose is also a big improvement as you can easily fit any chucks or face plate with work left in them, with the SL you would have to take work off of it to get at the 3 mounting screws if you wanted to index an part that had been turned on the faceplate. With the U3 just unscrew from lathe spindle and screw onto indexer.

                     

                    Edited By JasonB on 21/10/2019 17:47:39

                    #434213
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133
                      Posted by JasonB on 21/10/2019 17:29:41:

                      As Emgee says the back have different mumbers of holes for indexing.

                      20191021_172014[1].jpg

                      Though the fronts only have angular graduations not hole numbers.

                      Not sure what is disappointing about the U3 […]

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                      Only the change from ‘gear style’ to ‘pin in a blind hole, on comparatively flimsy plates’ indexing.

                      The wear on your plate [left of picture] illustrates the problem.

                      MichaelG.

                      #434215
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        It's only the black coating that has come off, no sign of wear in the metal, more a sign of me not pulling back against the pin's spring enough than a problem.

                        Also compared to the vast number of 5C spin indexers in use the plates are far less "flimsy" being of similar thickness but much smaller diameter. Again like the 5C indexers the holes are through holes but just covered by the scale disc in both cases the pin does not go full depth into the hole, think more like the pin on a dividing head's arm.

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                          #434222
                          Ian P
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                            @ianp

                            None of the sellers pictures showed that the disks had holes (other than at the zero position?) and I'm always wary of sellers not fully describing items so I thought this Emco product relied on the users eysight. In reality having anodised labels is a good feature.

                            Ian P

                            #434227
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              @michaelgilligan61133
                              Posted by JasonB on 21/10/2019 18:42:30:

                              It's only the black coating that has come off, no sign of wear in the metal […]

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                              If you say so, Jason … that's fine, and I retract my comment

                              Unfortunately, in the photo, it appears that several of the holes are worn oversize.

                              … appearances can be deceptive.

                              MichaelG.

                              #434228
                              JasonB
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                                @jasonb

                                I'll take you a close up photo tomorrow. The pin on the Emco is tapered so may have worn the black off around the holes too

                                #434236
                                Bazyle
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                                  @bazyle

                                  Unless the wear is uneven then the hole enlargement is not going to affect the indexed position. If you need better accuracy perhaps you need a 90 lb K&T with the astronomical dividing attachment. frown

                                  #434272
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    @michaelgilligan61133
                                    Posted by Bazyle on 21/10/2019 21:59:28:

                                    Unless the wear is uneven then the hole enlargement is not going to affect the indexed position. If you need better accuracy perhaps you need a 90 lb K&T with the astronomical dividing attachment. frown

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                                    … or the original Unimat SL version ?

                                    MichaelG.

                                    #626397
                                    Andrew F in Australia
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                                      @andrewfinaustralia

                                      Hi,

                                      Sorry – new member with a question reviving an old thread.

                                      Are these two indexing heads interchangeable on a unimat 3?

                                      The machine I just bought is one of the 'newer' Unimat3 machines – Just enquiring in case I find one of the older indexing heads in my travels.

                                      Thanks in advance.

                                      A

                                      #626420
                                      JasonB
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                                        @jasonb

                                        It won't be easy to mount the old style onto the new style lathe bed but should not be a problem if you want to mount on the cross slide or milling table.

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