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Myford ‘endorsed’ oils and oil gun?

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29 January 2017 at 23:55 #281160
choochoo_baloo
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Firstly, yes these are probably trivial questions for many, but I am not sure being a newcomer, so please be patient!

1. My Myford ML7 manual "Lubrication Chart" recommends Esso Febis K68 for the ways etc. Now while new Myford supply it for £20 per litre this oil seller does what seems to be the same thing repackaged for half the price – http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITISH-MADE-SLIDEWAY-OIL-ISO-46-HORIZONTAL-VERTICAL-SLIDE-WAYS-/171885394037?var=&hash=item6d9ed900d9

can someone confirm whether in their experience, for a hobbyist, the third party oil be more than good enough?

2. For the oil nipples, am I correct in saying that I need a compatible oil gun filled with (ideally) Nuto H32 oil? In which case is the £71 (!!) Myford oil gun the only viable option?

Thanks in advance.
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29 January 2017 at 23:55 #8533
choochoo_baloo
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30 January 2017 at 00:24 #281164
AJW
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I use nuto for my ml7 spindle and 20/50 engine oil for all the sliding surfaces.
I have a large rubber cover fitted to the saddle keeping swarf off the front end and when working the other side of the saddle I usually place sections of newspaper held with a magnet if required over the exposed bed.
Change it as required.
I use a couple of oil guns, a plastic one with quite a small diameter end and one that was supplied with my Morris Minor.
Both work well, I don’t think you need to spend ?70!
Keep it clean and keep it oiled, mine still produces very accurate results, and it’s 60 years old!

Alan
30 January 2017 at 00:53 #281165
choochoo_baloo
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Posted by AJW on 30/01/2017 00:24:16:

I use a couple of oil guns, a plastic one with quite a small diameter end and one that was supplied with my Morris Minor.
Both work well, I don't think you need to spend ?70!
Keep it clean and keep it oiled, mine still produces very accurate results, and it's 60 years old!

Alan

Thanks Alan. Can I confirm:

I acquired the lathe a while back in clean and all original untarnished condition (therefore likely well looked after), it's sat largely unused whilst in my ownership. I've used motor oil in the headstock bearings so far. So my question is: once proper levelled/aligned and everything is appropriately lubricated is there any reasons why mine cannot operate at the precision yours has? Or put another way: can lathes only be super accurate if *properly oiled every time since leaving the factory? Or is it a fairly forgiving exercise?

Can you recommend/link a model of oil gun compatible with the ML7 nipples?
30 January 2017 at 04:17 #281169
Hopper
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The exact brand and grade of oil will not magically make your lathe more accurate. As long as some kind of oil has been applied reasonably regularly throughout the lathe's life, all will be as good as it can be on a 30- or 40- 0r 50-year-old (or more) piece of machinery.

Nuto 32 is nothing more than common a garden hydraulic oil with a grading of ISO 32. Available almost anywhere as compressor oil or hydraulic oil. No need to pay specialist prices. Auto Transmission Fluid is almost the same thing, but is a bit smelly and bright red messy with the additives they use. Esso Febis is tghe same as all the other slideway oils, eg Mobil Vactra etc and is nice but not absolutely necessary. 20/50 engine oil will work quite well, especially synthetic such as Mobil 1 (it does not go as gummy as dino oil.)

MEW did an article some years back on a nozzle you can make to fit to an ordianary pump oil can and pump oil into Myford fittings. If you go to the Myford lathes group on Yahoo, they have a drawing in thier files section you can use to make one for about threepence ha'penny.
30 January 2017 at 04:38 #281171
Hopper
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PS, Myford oiler drawing for connection to ordinary pump oil can.
30 January 2017 at 04:57 #281172
StephenS
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Does anybody have any experience of these oil guns **LINK** ?
30 January 2017 at 08:07 #281181
MalcB
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Posted by StephenS on 30/01/2017 04:57:29:

Does anybody have any experience of these oil guns **LINK** ?

Yes, I use a similar Pressol badged one on my Harrison M300.

The Pressol comes with two easily removed nozzles, one concave and one almost pointed ( which I radiussed slightly to suit my needs ). They are more telescopic than it shows in the picture i.e. two tubes. Not long since bought mine from Ebay.

It works and seals well, and is really well made, especially for the money against what Myford ask for theirs. You can also use small rubber O rings on the concave nozzle for additional sealing if needed.

Plenty of German Ebay sellers doing the Pressol for less than £20. They are listed as grease guns, but when you read the descriptions they do both grease and oil. I think they do about 3 different capacity ones.

Edited By MalcB on 30/01/2017 08:11:42

Edited By MalcB on 30/01/2017 08:12:47
30 January 2017 at 08:19 #281182
ianj
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I've used this type for several years, there are two types , one for raised nipples & one for flat/concave nipples.

**LINK**

The seller has none listed at the moment

They are also available from here

**LINK**
30 January 2017 at 08:53 #281186
Robbo
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Plus 1 for Ian J 's links.

I have 2 of the top one and it is easily as good as a genuine Myford

Note the more expensive one in Link 2 is the same as the Myford one only a lot cheaper
30 January 2017 at 10:39 #281212
Clive India
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Posted by Hopper on 30/01/2017 04:17:15:

The exact brand and grade of oil will not magically make your lathe more accurate. As long as some kind of oil has been applied reasonably regularly throughout the lathe's life, all will be as good as it can be on a 30- or 40- 0r 50-year-old (or more) piece of machinery.Nuto 32 is nothing more than common a garden hydraulic oil with a grading of ISO 32. Available almost anywhere as compressor oil or hydraulic oil. No need to pay specialist prices. Auto Transmission Fluid is almost the same thing, but is a bit smelly and bright red messy with the additives they use. Esso Febis is tghe same as all the other slideway oils, eg Mobil Vactra etc and is nice but not absolutely necessary. 20/50 engine oil will work quite well, especially synthetic such as Mobil 1 (it does not go as gummy as dino oil.)

Good advice from Hopper – remember any oil is always better than no oil.
30 January 2017 at 10:41 #281213
AJW
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All the oilers on my Myford are flat topped, and the gun I use most is made by Tecalemit GB2787 (and it’s diecast not plastic!) It’s classed as a grease gun but I have only ever used it with oil and find it really works well and hasn’t leaked. Doesn’t hold a lot so will require more frequent filling. Must be similar ones about got mine new/boxed at a boot sale!
I tend to be a bit fastidious about cleanliness and will fully clean the lathe down and oil up after each session! but obviously if the machine has been neglected in the past no amount of oil will restore it.

Alan
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