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    RichardN
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      @richardn

      I have an issue with buying the right size external circlip- this is all to repair an old brass door knob.

      The diameter of the groove that I need the circlip to clip around is 0.550", so I thought a 14mm circlip would suit, and ordered a pair from eBay. These arrived and the unsprung diameter measures 12.8mm- no chance of these stretching sufficiently to go on, let alone fit comfortably.

      I contacted a bearing supplier, described the precise clip I require, and they explain the notional size of the circlip sometimes is the maximum diameter the clip will stretch to while fitting, and others sell them as the relaxed size, which may explain the issue. So I purchased a pair of 15mm which should have an unsprung size of 14mm at their recommendation, and the clips I received were identical to the previous, although came in a factory sealed packet that says "15mm (13.8mm)" but measure unsprung as 12.8mm.

      Have I missed something obvious? Should I just force the clips open, have I bought the wrong clips twice despite being labelled differently? What should I ask for to receive an external clip with a relaxed inner diameter of 14mm?

      Thanks to anyone who can help! Richard

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      #8219
      RichardN
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        @richardn
        #247679
        Bernard Wright
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          @bernardwright25932

          What is the diameter of the shaft/knob you are trying to secure, not the groove diameter, I've found that it is the shaft or bore size that the circlip is sized for…

          Bernard.

          #247680
          Richard S2
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            @richards2

            I use charts downloaded from the Interweb. Covers internal/external, Metric and Imperial.

            Imperial/ Metric- google Circlip Chart

            U.S Equivalent- google Snap Ring chart

            Should give you every permutation of sizes. Just need to find a retailer who knows what they are selling!.

            Regards.

            Richard.

            #247681
            Paul Lousick
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              @paullousick59116

              Hi Richard,

              Circlips are normally sized to suit the shaft OD not the groove. Google "circlip" on the internet for data sheets.

              eg. http://www.blue-diamond.co.uk/Pdf/PISCirclips.pdf

              #247682
              Hopper
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                @hopper
                ….These arrived and the unsprung diameter measures 12.8mm- no chance of these stretching sufficiently to go on, let alone fit comfortably.

                 

                Are you sure? Have you tried springing the circlip open with proper circlip pliers? It's only a doorknob so not exactly precision machinery. A bit of extra stretch may not hurt. You might even grind a bit out of the OD with a dremel tool or similar.

                Edited By Hopper on 23/07/2016 03:35:16

                #247684
                Speedy Builder5
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                  @speedybuilder5

                  Change the size yourself – just heat up to red heat, let them cool slowly. Stretch them a little, heat and re-temper. Nothing lost if they snap, pleased with yourself if they fit. Its what model engineering is about. The application is hardly critical.
                  BobH

                  #247779
                  RichardN
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                    @richardn

                    Many thanks for the responses- the outer of the shaft is 15.8mm, perhaps a 16mm clip would be ideal- but I will have a play with a grinder and a blow torch and see what I can produce.

                    Not that it's important in this case- but what would be a good target colour for hardening after annealing and shaping? In reality turning a mild steel washer and splitting it with a hacksaw would do- but that's not really the point- the door already has a new knob, just fancied fixing this one…

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                    Speedy Builder5
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                      @speedybuilder5

                      Once annealed and re-formed, heat to red, quench in old engine oil, clean one side on wet and dry, slowly re-heat to dark straw and quench in water.
                      BobH

                      #247799
                      RichardN
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                        @richardn

                        Thanks again- sounds rather like generic tool steel- I assumed they were something special!

                        I'll be playing with the clips in the morning!

                        #247801
                        HOWARDT
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                          @howardt

                          Use a 5/8" (15.875).

                          Howard

                          #247818
                          Circlip
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                            @circlip

                            Unless it's changed dramatically in fifty years, EN42J

                             

                            http://image.slidesharecdn.com/circlipslist1-140322071200-phpapp01/95/central-motors-circlips-list-1-638.jpg?cb=1395472347

                             

                            Regards Ian.

                            Edited By Circlip on 24/07/2016 08:02:28

                            #247845
                            Neil Wyatt
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                              @neilwyatt

                              I'd go for a dark blue/purple colour for spring.

                              Neil

                              #247852
                              Mark C
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                                @markc

                                If you ever have to fit an undersize clip you can often do it by fitting over a tapered mandrel. This is the best way of fitting rings anyway especially if it is an automated assembly process.
                                Mark

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