What’s this for…no.8?

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    beeza650
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      @beeza650

      It took ages to free it all up. I think I needs a special tool to slacker the base but I’ve not seen anything in the other boxes with two little pins. They need to be very little, surprisingly small.

      Would be good to look at some videos of how to use this. Interestingly it has no scale.

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      #786945
      Nigel Graham 2
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        @nigelgraham2

        It would be a vernier height-gauge if it had the two scales, but I’ve not seen one with that pin in the foot, and no scale.

        It suggests being made as some type of comparator rather than absolute measurer, and the pin might be for locating a centre or reference-cylinders.

        #786947
        noel shelley
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          @noelshelley55608

          Height gauge, since it has no scale may be it’s for inspection, simply as a gauge, once set. Noel.

          #786949
          beeza650
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            @beeza650

            It has no overhang to use as height gauge as it is currently configured

            #786955
            Bazyle
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              @bazyle

              You don’t want to remove the base – that’s why there is no spanner. Google “vernier height gauge” and look at the pictures to see the missing bit. Some of the pictures off ebay however will be missing that bit  (like mine). Unfortunately the missing bit is precision, not just a bit of metal which is why I haven’t got round to making a replacement.

              #786959
              beeza650
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                @beeza650

                <p style=”text-align: left;”>Sorry I’m confused. I’m pretty sure theres nothing missing except the ” spanner”. The bottom bit certainly looks like it’s meant to slide in the base. Look at the ground jaw that’s made inaccessible by the base. Why have that unless the plan was to slide it out.</p>

                #786962
                Andrew Crow
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                  @andrewcrow91475

                  Looking at the base and the movable blade it looks as though someone has tried to make a height gauge/comparator from a broken vernier caliper (not an uncommon problem when dropped on the workshop floor).

                  There is a scriber blade in the clamp.

                  But I can’t give an explanation for the lack of graduations unless they were ground off just to make a comparator which would be set using slip gauges.

                  Andy

                  #786966
                  peak4
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                    @peak4

                    It certainly looks to be made from a vernier caliper, judging be the internal measuring ends, both fixed and sliding.

                    My guess is that it’s actually two items that have been combined.
                    The base and the scriber + clamp are from the original height gauge, likely a vernier itself.
                    The main column was a separate vernier caliper, now re-purposed.
                    If the base was fully hard, which is quite likely, then rather than machine out the groove, the caliper was thinned on a surface grinder to fit the groove in the base.
                    No need to keep the scale on it, as it would now be completely wrong, since the caliper is mounted end on in the base.

                    I have a spare base that I’ve been wondering how to utilise, and was thinking about using it with an adapted cheap Lidl digital caliper, but not yet got around to it; mine has a couple of marks on the other side, where a previous owner has tried drilling it, rather than using the clamp bolt.

                    Again a quick lash-up for a photo, with a small Benson vernier caliper to show the rounded internal measuring ends.

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                    Bill

                    #786969
                    Bazyle
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                      @bazyle

                      You do not need a spanner. Nobody in the history of vernier height gauges has ever needed to move the column so most of them are fixed anyway. It was made separate originally so that it could be shipped in a flatter box or used by a travelling inspector.

                      The scriber fitted is currently upside down and back to front so if correctly fitted would work for many uses. However if you google as I suggested you will see the normal scriber is a different shape. (engage schoolmaster mode) See if you can work out why..

                      #786982
                      DC31k
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                        @dc31k
                        On peak4 Said:

                        No need to keep the scale on it, as it would now be completely wrong, since the caliper is mounted end on in the base.

                        If a person were making one, it could be useful to make the underside of the base exactly 1″  from the inside of the jaw. Then the scale could be retained.

                        #787007
                        SillyOldDuffer
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                          On Nigel Graham 2 Said:

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                          It suggests being made as some type of comparator rather than absolute measurer, and the pin might be for locating a centre or reference-cylinders.

                          Which is a shade unusual except other items in the collection have a similar ‘bit special’ whiff to them.  Nigel’s suggestion it’s a comparator makes sense, but we don’t know why.  Comparators are good when you need one!

                          Be interesting to know what the original owner’s background was.    Not a hobbyist with a non-mechanical engineering background like me I think; more likely this chap was a pro, possibly ex-tool-room, who enjoyed this as a hobby and after retiring.   But in retirement the opportunity to tackle full scale tool-room problems diminishes, so kit that made sense when he started ends up in storage, in bits!   Gets worse as health declines, my workshop is in chaos, with several part builds and tool assemblies that only make sense to me.

                          The tools being identified make more sense in a high-end workshop than mine.  Some of them hint at production work.   That creates a problem in that a tool might have to be reassembled correctly AND then understood in context before it’s value is realised.

                          I advise beeza not to rush this.  Objects that appear to be junk now might suddenly become gold-dust once their purpose is understood, not just what they are called.   One of the items looks like a Keats Clamp, not obvious to a beginner what it’s for, but highly desirable when a turning job calls for one.  A beginner might not realise the value of a Keats Clamp for several years – it’s the nature of the job that triggers the need for one.  So a tool goes from waste of space to ‘OMG where is it‘ in a blink.

                          There’s a lot to learn about machining.  I have a good technical library, so the theory is no surprise.   Theory’s not enough though, there are a myriad of practical issues to solve as well.   And a lathe is rather like a musical instrument, takes practice to make it work well, plus an understanding of materials, tools, work-holding and technique.   Good eye-sight, muscle coordination, talent and aptitude help too!

                          The forum is extraordinarily helpful, plus me reading the magazines carefully over several years.   Long build articles often contain hints and practical details so don’t skip over them just because you have no intention to build a GWR Wotsit.   Build articles are much more than a list of instructions, and a great deal about tools made sense to me after studying them.  This is a deep hobby, which can be enjoyed by keeping it simple and/or exploring advanced topics.  Like what’s this strange tool used for!

                          Dave

                           

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