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    robin coleman
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      There was once an article in model a finer ring on making a electric magnet on a drill press.o do not have access to old copies of the magazine.

      regards

      robin

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      #785967
      noel shelley
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        Please give a few more details. Noel.

        #785970
        JasonB
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          Put electro magnet into the search box here and see if you can narrow it down to likely issue numbers, with 189results a bit more detail will help

          #785971
          JasonB
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            Put electro magnet into the search box here and see if you can narrow it down to likely issue numbers, with 189results a bit more detail will help

            #786012
            John Haine
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              Even if you know which issue you probably would still have trouble finding a copy at a sensible price.  But making an electromagnet is really trivial and there are load of how-to descriptions on the web such as this one:

              https://www.instructables.com/POWERFUL-ELECTROMAGNET-5KG-LIFTING/

              If what you are asking is how to wind the bobbin using a drill press, then unless your drill press has a speed control my advice is, don’t try!  Unless you have a proper coil winder that manages the wire you need to take it very slowly to get a neat result.  Also having a vertical axis won’t make life any easier.

              Also just to make sure of what you are asking, Googling “make electromagnet on drill press” gives loads of pages on making electromagnetic vices – I assume that isn’t what you meant?

              #786095
              robin coleman
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                @robincoleman77853

                It was an article in the 40s or 50s a late uncle of mine build one from the model engineer magazine

                #786168
                noel shelley
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                  Several of us have extensive libraries of the back copies so may be able to help if you can find the one you need. Good luck. Noel.

                  #786175
                  SillyOldDuffer
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                    On John Haine Said:

                    …   If what you are asking is how to wind the bobbin using a drill press, then unless your drill press has a speed control my advice is, don’t try!  Unless you have a proper coil winder that manages the wire you need to take it very slowly to get a neat result.  Also having a vertical axis won’t make life any easier.  …

                    +1 to that!

                    I’ve tried to wind coils on my lathe, and it’s difficult.   The lathe grips the bobbin well, and mine can be put in low-gear and speed-controlled to build the coil at a sensible rate, all good.   What the lathe doesn’t do is stop/start: such that the motor accelerate and decelerates smoothly without breaking the wire.  Nor does it tension the wire, control it’s placement in neat layers, or count how many turns have been applied. The user has to compensate, and it’s not nice!   A drill is worse than a lathe, I’ve tried.

                    Nonetheless, a pillar drill is a quick way of making a messy coil which might be acceptable for rough work.  Or not!  A typical home magnet might require about 2000 turns of 0.056mm Copper Wire, which is quite delicate.   A snatchy too fast pillar drill could break the wire, and it’s hard to judge when 2000 turns have been applied. Worse, a messy pile-wound coil takes up more space than a neat layered one, so not enough turns on the bobbin is likely.  May not matter if the electromagnet is for a non-critical application.  If the pillar drill results in say, a messy 1500 turns, the electromagnet will be a bit weaker and hotter, and not being well-matched to the power supply,  might waste a battery.   Might still pass the “so what” test.

                    The power of an electromagnet is related to Ampere Turns, and the amps are decided by the power supply voltage.    If a coil has too few turns, it will still generate a similar field because the volts available push more amps.   A 1 turn coil with 2000A flowing in it, is the same as a 2000 turn coil with 1A.   However, the single turn coil will get very hot, and needs a very hard to find 2000A low voltage PSU.  A 2000 turn electromagnet only needs 1A from a modest 6 or 12V supply.    So a pillar drill messy coil with only 1500 turns might well be acceptable, a tad inefficient rather than useless.

                    I bought a coil-winder, excellent for ordinary size coils, not big ones.

                    Having found my lathe was too jerky for winding a 1 metre Tesla Coil, I made a wooden hand winder, and got a friend to hand crank and count turns whilst I maintained the wire tension and placed it neatly on the former.   That was a doddle compared with me winding with  a lathe.

                    Winding with a pillar drill is too hairy for me!   Others might have the knack.

                    Dave

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