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    castingflame
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      @castingflame

      Hello to you all

      I have been after a lathe for the last 5 years or so. More recently some little jobs have become a royal pain not having the facility of a lathe so I finally took the plunge and purchased a Myford ML4 from eBay that was quite local to me in the UK. It’s a perfect size machine for my limited available space and should serve me well.

      I am however missing a couple of items.

      1. The gear wheel on the main shaft for the tumble reverse.

      The Shaft is 7/8″ with a depth of 1/2″
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      And it needs a gear like this one…
      671182

      2. The gear ‘set’ or ‘pair’ on the back gear spindle.

      Back Shaft

      Main Shaft Back Gears

      Which should be the same as this one, although I do not know how many teeth each gear should have,,,
      672016

      Any info and advice to help identify the back gears and availability to purchase both items would be greatly received.

      Many thanks

      Paul
      aka castingflame

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      #784895
      Howard Lewis
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        @howardlewis46836

        Being a Myford, the gears are likely to be 20 DP, 14.5 pressure angle.

        (You can check with one of the changewheels, if they mesh nicely with the gears on the spindle)

        Count the number of teeth on the pinion that meshes with the 65T wheel. The sum of gear teeth should be the same for both meshes.

        (65+ pinion) = (30+ gear)

        Normal Myford changewheels are 5/8″ bore, so MIGHT fit the shaft, without need for bushing or boring.

        But you may need to make a collar, to retain it, and possibly a spacer to separate it from the other gear.

        Probably teaching grand ma to suck eggs, but NEVER engage Back Gear and normal drive to lock the spindle to remove a stuck chuck. A sure fire way to break gear teeth!

        There are safer ways!

        Check on Lathes UK website for more info.

        The ML3 and 4 are 3.5″ centre height, (ML1 and 2 were 3.125″ centre height. Even numbers were longer centre distance than the odd) and depending upon age, 7/8 BSW, 7/8 x 12 tpi, or if very late, possibly 1.125 x 12 tpi (But not with the 1.250 register of the later 7 Series)

        HTH

        Howard

        #784898
        Howard Lewis
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          @howardlewis46836

          P.S

          Of you measure the tumbler gears, you should be able to calculate the PCD of them. If you measure the centre distance, between the spindle and the tumbler gear, you should then be able to calculate the PCD of the Spindle gear.

          Knowing the PCD should allow you to calculate the tooth count for the Spindle gear

          If unsure of the formulae and calculations, buy Ivan law’s book on “Gears and Gear Cutting”; No. 17 in the Workshop Practice Series.

          Howard

          #784903
          SillyOldDuffer
          Moderator
            @sillyoldduffer

            Welcome Paul,

            Missing parts are one of the hazards of buying second-hand and finding spares for long out of production machines can be difficult and/or expensive.    They turn up on ebay and asking on sites like this helps.  As far as I know, there isn’t a seller of Myford spares who carries this stuff,  so luck and patience kick in.

            The gear set needed for screw-cutting and fine-finish as supplied with the lathe can be extracted from the manual.

            ml4screwcuttable

            Myford also sold extras:

            ml4extra

            Whether or not all these gears are needed depends on what you do, but Myford recommended buying another 20 toothed gear, and, if you have to cut metric threads, then 127 is the bees knees,

            At this point I start guessing, so let’s hope a Myford expert will confirm.   I believe the gears are 20 DIametral Pitch, 14.5 degrees.  This is an early standard, but still widely available new.   Unfortunately, the standard covers the gear form, but not how the gear is attached to the shaft.   Not a showstopper, but a modern gear or one of the right size from an old machine will  have to be modified to fit the lathe’s shafts.  Maybe adding bushes, boring out, or adding a keyway, screw-fixing, or clip.   All do-able after a little experience has been gained, but unwelcome for beginners and those wanting to get on and make stuff rather than fix machines.

            3D-printing is another alternative.   Find a kind person who can design gears in CAD and then have them printed either in plastic, or metal, or CNC cut.   Plastic 3D-printed gears are cheapest,  they don’t last as long as metal,  but are better than might be imagined.   There are commercial firms doing this work, like igus, but I have no experience of them.  Joining a club is a good way of finding ‘a kind person’.    Volunteers are less likely on the forum, probably because they don’t want to get sucked into doing favours.   Fair amount of time taken to 3D print gears, and we’re all busy!

            Dave

             

            #784941
            Brian Wood
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              @brianwood45127

              The gear on the tumbler reverse end of the spindle is 25 teeth, 20 DP with a pressure angle of 14.5 degrees.

              The twin gears making up the swinging back gear cluster will need to be calculated  to give a reduction of somewhere between 1:6 and 1:7

              These too will be 20DP and of 14.5 degrees pressure angle

              I can also confirm the bull wheel as having 65 teeth, that will be 1 inch bore to fit on the lathe spindle, and the DP and PA detail will match those listed above

              Brian

               

               

              #784992
              Robert Atkinson 2
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                @robertatkinson2

                OR

                You could fit an electronic leadscrew kit:

                Presentation

                Is the one I chose.

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