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    Mark Slatter
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      @markslatter13251

      Hello everyone,

      I have a 3 phase Baileigh turret style milling machine that I’d like to convert to use with a VFD via the single phase in my workshop. The spindle speed is currently determined by belts and pulleys, which I would like to get rid of…or at least not need and rather control the speed via a potentiometer. I was hoping for a max rpm of around 2500 if possible. Similarly it would be useful to have a jog function that operates in forward and reverse for use when tapping, therefore low rpm’s. The VFD I had in mind was the ubiquitous AT1.

      I was wondering if someone might be able to tell me if the existing motor on the mill would be suitable? I have tried to do some research on forums and YouTube etc but have come away mostly confused!

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      #778931
      DC31k
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        The motor data plate indicates 400v three phase, connected in Y (wye/star).

        To attach a VFD directly to that motor with no modifcation would require a VFD that outputs 380v three phase from a 230v single phase input. These are available as AT4 (not AT1).

        A second option is to locate the star point of the motor and reconfigure it to delta connected. This can be a more or less easy job depending on how the motor is manufactured. Then an AT1 VFD would work.

        #778933
        Andrew Crow
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          @andrewcrow91475

          <p style=”text-align: left;”>You could try Power Capacitors in Birmingham, I think the person you need to speak to is Peter Moss.</p>
          They do convectors and inverters and he would probably be able to advise you about motor suitability, the number is below.

          0121-708-4522

          Andy

          #778935
          Andrew Crow
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            @andrewcrow91475

            <p style=”text-align: left;”>Should have said converters not convectors</p>

            #778937
            Harry Wilkes
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              @harrywilkes58467
              On Andrew Crow Said:

              <p style=”text-align: left;”>You could try Power Capacitors in Birmingham, I think the person you need to speak to is Peter Moss.</p>
              They do convectors and inverters and he would probably be able to advise you about motor suitability, the number is below.

              0121-708-4522

              Andy

              I,ll second try Power Capacitors Peter advised and sorted my kit

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              #778941
              Pete
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                @pete41194

                A VFD doesn’t remove the need for moving the belt to different pulley positions Mark. It will lessen those changes as long as the tooling diameter and what the tooling is built from, HSS v Carbide are similar when changing those cutting tools. From my own perspective, using a VFD on my own step pulley turret mill was one of the best decisions I made because of all the extra motor control options. Yes you can get a fair amount of torque even down into the 25 Hz range, but the length of time your using that motor at those reduced speeds becomes important since the motors own cooling fan is also running at that reduced rpm as well. Extra heat the motor wasn’t designed for will only lessen it’s life span if that motor is being operated for too long at reduced rpm.

                Most but not all VFD’s today are capable of either forward or reverse motor direction. If your mill does have a back gear, then you also require a VFD that does allow switching to either motor direction since that back gear reverses the spindle rotation once it’s engaged. I’d also suggest that how well the user manual has been done might be as important as the VFD itself. Without a clearly written manual, the initial end user programming for what you want to have available such as ramp up / down times, pre set motor speeds etc, can become a real issue. And as long as it’s well explained, none of it is hard to do. I also wouldn’t under size or buy any VFD that’s just barely adequate for the job. For higher than the motors rated rpm and at the highest pulley speed ratio, my own industrial quality VFD would fault out due to the extra torque required during a motor start. Increasing the motors ramp up time of a few seconds more cured that.

                #778948
                duncan webster 1
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                  @duncanwebster1

                  Take the lid off the junction box. If there are 6 connections with jumpers it can probably be reconnected as delta

                  #778951
                  Clive Foster
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                    @clivefoster55965

                    If you simply connect a common 220 V nominal output VFD intended for use with a 220 v delta connection to a Y (star) 440 V motor maximum power will be approximately 60% of the nameplate rating.

                    Basically the VFD bus runs out of volts so it switches to constant power mode at about 29 hz,  just over 800 rpm.

                    Which may well be enough. Thats a 2 hp motor so maximum power will be reduced to 1.2 hp. I presume the mill is a Bridgeport clone, my Bridgeport has a 1.5 hp motor and has, so far as I can see, never run at anything approaching full power in my hands.

                    Clive

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