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    old mart
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      I was thinking about replacing the 12V halogen light in one of my microscopes with a GU10 dimmable 5 or 7 watt light. The transformer could be removed also. What I was wondering about is whether the common domestic light dimmer VS/ED/1X400/240/R made by Visonator would work with only one bulb. It is marked 40-400W. I have them working with banks of six LED’s which replaced six 50W halogen GU10 bulbs.

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      #778913
      Michael Gilligan
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        No guarantee … but I suspect the answer is NO

        If the Dimmer is rated 40-400W then there is presumably a good reason for it to require a minimum load of around 40W

        MichaelG.

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        Edit: __ ChatGPT gave a fairly logical reply when I asked

        why does a light dimmer have a minimum specified load

        #778930
        old mart
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          Thats what I suspected, the sets in the house are in sixes and 30 watts must be sufficient. There must be instances where smaller numbers are used, some research on domestic light dimmers is worth doing. The dimmers were originally designed for tht 50 watt halogen lights which were used long before LED’s were invented. I believe it was a Japanese researcher who first managed to get the white LED when others doubted if the mix of colours could ever be manufactured.

          Edit: you prompted me to check up on modern dimmer switches, and I found they are 3-250W.

          #779074
          Robert Atkinson 2
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            Replace the halogen bulb with a 12V LED GU4 / MR 11 lamp and keep the transformer.

            It us almost certinly UNSAFE to replace a 12V lamp with a minas one in the same fitting. Kudos for asking but that tells me you probably are not capaple of doing it safely.

            Robert.

            #779096
            old mart
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              @oldmart

              I have no interest in GU4 bulbs. I am interested in using a GU10 bulb with the appropriate fitting together with the correct dimmer switch and the earth connections for the microscope body will be retained. How would you know what fitting the microscope uses for its 12V 100W bulb, I did not mention one.

              #779103
              Robert Atkinson 2
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                Sorry If I offended you.

                I suggested the GU4 as being the closest to GU10 AND being compatible with the capless bi-pin base used for a lot of small halogen lamps including those in many microscopes, fibre optic light sources, projectors etc. I do know quite a lot about microscopes.

                Using a mains lamp in any housing designed for a low voltage one is bound to present compromises around insulation and safety. 12V dimmers are readily available either as inline or panel mount for a few pounds. You can use the existing transformer if you wish or a simple, safe 12V “wall-wart” type.
                I can’t identify the dimmer you mentioned, do you have a link?

                GU10 lamps are also available in 12V if you are stuck on that type.

                Robert.

                #779144
                old mart
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                  @oldmart

                  I wanted to rid myself of the 60’s electrics as the bulb gets very hot and the transformer hums. I would use a domestic wall mount dimmer switch removed from the plate which would fit easily either where the on off switch fits or where the reostat for the voltage adjustment goes. The gu10 wiring couldn’t be simpler, live to C, L1 to the bulb and from there to neutral. I might keep the original on-off switch on the live side to isolate the dimmer completely when not in use, but that might be overkill. The Screwfix LED dimmer switch 94816 lookslike a suitable one for a single GU10.

                  #780196
                  old mart
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                    @oldmart

                    There is something else to address before the wiring change, the belt driven optical diaphragm has two blades out of sync and it will have to be dismantled. The tiny pins may have become unriveted, I recently had to make a new rivit out of brass for a blade in a Lomo condenser, as well as removing the old grease which had set hard. Not easy when your fingers are arthritic.

                    #780219
                    SillyOldDuffer
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                      Is LED light good for microscopy?   Long time since I played with mine, but it worked better with sunlight than the bright filament bulb, because that had lots of red in it.

                      School demonstrated their ‘not for boys’ miniature arc light once to show the improvement.  An extremely bright white source with a big condensing lens on the front.   Bet it got really hot.

                      White LEDs run cool, but the white light is produced by devious means, not very pure.  I don’t know how suitable it is.

                      Dave

                       

                      #780222
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        On SillyOldDuffer Said:
                        Is LED light good for microscopy?  […]

                        Getting better all the time, Dave

                        … and pretty-much the de-facto standard for modern instruments.

                        MichaelG.

                        #780225
                        old mart
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                          @oldmart

                          I have made adaptors to use cheap LED torches in my Olympus BHC which has both epi and normal condenser light paths. Works well enough for me, and stays closer to white rather than a filament bulb. The torches I use have 18650 lithium cells and three light levels along with the usual beam focussing and charge directly from USB C.

                          #780229
                          Fulmen
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                            Re LED in microscopy: Makes sense, LED is pretty incredible when you think about it. What’s the best CRI available these days? 97 -99?

                            The only thing I can imagine being better is LEP Laser Exited Phosphor, but it’s pretty expensive.

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