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    Nigel Graham 2
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      @nigelgraham2

      I’d not used Alibre for quite a while, but when I tried to open it yesterday it proudly offered an “up-grade”. I am usually wary as these invariable adding more bells and whistles I don’t understand, need or want, but I loaded it anyway. I don’t think it gave any choice anyway.

      Then Alibre said this:

       

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      I did not know I had bought any “yearly maintenance subscription”. I thought I had simply bought the then-current version of Alibre Atom by one-off purchase. Anyway, although Alibre Atom is still taking up space in the computer, it will not now open even from a drawing made in the older edition.

      Unless I have Alibre Atom on my previous and now spare, off-line PC, I cannot even convert my Alibre drawings to transferable formats possibly useable in TurboCAD.

      Well, not without buying a new version of Alibre Atom.

      As I needed do to restore TC after a computer breakdown had lost everything. And you buy TurboCAD as one-off purchases, not by hidden subscription. Its publisher, IMSI (now under shadowy ownership far away from its native America), does issue up-dates but Norton spotted the most recent had been infected and quarantined it; i.e. threw it away . Since then TurboCAD has been unable to accept any up-dates, it says in a plaintive error message every time I open it. I expect I can live without them.

      The saving grace is very few of those now-useless Alibre drawings were for projects. The rest were only exercises.

       

      So long Alibre Atom. It was nice knowing you, though I never really understood your planes, parts-orientating and assembly systems, nor how you imagine designing a completely new machine by drawing and assembling its components without first having such an assembly (or general-arrangement) to guide designing them.

       

      Happy Christmas One And All!

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      #772431
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133

        Surely [correction: make that hopefully] there must be a way to retrieve use of your, now unsupported, previous version.

        You don’t deserve to encounter hurdles like this, Nigel

        MichaelG.

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        Edit:__ a Google search for alibre atom downgrade returns some reasonably encouraging links.

        #772442
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          You got a limited amount of maintenance when you originally purchased it, most likely 1 year.

          Just as I told you before when you thought you had lost Atom from your computer it is simply a matter of downloading the version you have paid for from the Alibre website

          It’s not a hurdle if you know how to jump.

          Select Atom from the first dropdown that comes up here and then go to the bottom “all versions” and load the one you have. Any problems then the Alibre forum should sort you out.

          #772454
          David Jupp
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            @davidjupp51506

            As Jason mentioned, uninstall the version that won’t start, then re-install the previous version.  Ignore messages about licence release when uninstalling.

            You should have seen a warning during the update that it was not valid with you licence, and had the option to cancel at that point.

            #772456
            David Jupp
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              @davidjupp51506

              Once you have Atom3D working again, I suggest that you disable automatic checks for updates.  That will avoid the problem in future.

              #772459
              SillyOldDuffer
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                @sillyoldduffer
                On Michael Gilligan Said:

                Surely [correction: make that hopefully] there must be a way to retrieve use of your, now unsupported, previous version.

                You don’t deserve to encounter hurdles like this, Nigel

                MichaelG.

                Exactly so.  Nigel assumes the old version has gone, but that’s unlikely.   He might have to uninstall the new version.

                As to not deserving hurdles, though Nigel is good at many other things, he’s distinctly accident prone when it comes to computers!   I put this down to him rather stubbornly believing software works as he imagines it should, and then getting confused when it doesn’t.  In that sense some of his misadventures are self-inflicted!

                Software is tirelessly single-minded, and it cannot adapt to individuals.  The individual has to change.   Cure is difficult: users have to RTFM and they have to adapt to how the software works, not the other way round.

                Nigel damns Alibre unfairly with ‘nor how you imagine designing a completely new machine by drawing and assembling its components without first having such an assembly (or general-arrangement) to guide designing them.’  

                Now I’m not an Alibre user, but having followed the offer articles, and what owners say about Alibre, it’s clear that Alibre is similar to other CAD packages.   Many provide tools that help tackle chicken and egg problems, but using those tools requires technique, which Nigel hasn’t learned yet.   The fault is Nigel not Alibre.

                All my efforts to help Nigel with CAD failed and it’s frustrating – he gets so close to success, and then stubbornly veers off, perhaps jumping in at the deep end or by making a small mistake and persisting despite warnings that the foundations are crumbling until the software can’t cope.  When a 3D model has so many mistakes that the geometry does not compute, the computer bails out!     Then the software is blamed when the real problem is good ole “garbage in, garbage out”.  The operator is responsible for the garbage, and learners make lots of mistakes.   No shortcuts or preconceptions – newbies have to start at the bottom and learn the ropes.

                Dave

                #772484
                Nick Wheeler
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                  @nickwheeler
                  On Nigel Graham 2 Said:

                  So long Alibre Atom. It was nice knowing you, though I never really understood your planes, parts-orientating and assembly systems, nor how you imagine designing a completely new machine by drawing and assembling its components without first having such an assembly (or general-arrangement) to guide designing them.

                   

                  And there’s your problem with CAD in a nutshell: it doesn’t do the design(including the general-arrangement)- you do. I can’t imagine you would design something on paper without simple sketches of where important bits go, what they do how and big they are. After a number of iterations you produce more refined chunks of the design – I start with bought in bits which are therefore fixed, or that have particular functions. Once you’ve finished those, and any necessary iterations, you fill in the gaps. That’s the design process, and it’s the same whether the desired thing is a complex machine, new house, posh dress or abstract sculpture. The difference with using a computer, at least once you are efficient with the programme, is that it keeps up with your process while removing some of the boring calculations, so you don’t end up with a notebook full of chicken scratches and whatever graphic representation you need to build the thing.

                  The key to quality work is using your tools efficiently. We’ve been suggesting for some time that you would benefit from a few hours with a mentor who can talk you through modelling a part you understand, in the program of your choice. That would have saved you years of expense, time, effort and frustration that could have been spent actually making your project. Good teaching doesn’t change the learning curve, but gives you a good boost up the initial steep part.

                   

                  I do agree that the subscription approach for modern software is annoying, badly explained and potentially very expensive to the customer. Which are some of the many reasons why producers of it are so keen.

                  #772490
                  David Jupp
                  Participant
                    @davidjupp51506

                    To be clear, Atom3D does not enforce a subscription based licence – though in North America a subscription option is available for those who really want it.

                    The default licence type is perpetual (for the version of the software that was current at purchase).  Software updates (access to newer versions) are optional and can be purchased in 12 month chunks.

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