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A couple of ‘soon to be available in the UK’ lathes that look interesting

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    Lee Cooper
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      @leecooper46013

      A couple of machines (one from Amadeal, one from Warco) that look interesting.

      AMABL210 E (which is a rebadged Weiss 210E). Interesting feature is that it has an electronic change gear system for threading, so no faffing around with manual gear changes. It sounds like a nice option, and is basically a lathe I’ve already been eyeballing, but with this added feature. My only concern is that the complexity of electronic gear change means more mechanical complexity to potentially go wrong. I guess time will tell. I wouldn’t consider one until some reviews come through – unless anyone has any experience with the Weiss? I don’t know if this is a recent addition to their line.

      – WBL210E uses an electronic change gear system, eliminating the trouble of replacing the change gears.
      – WBL210E can achieve one -click settings of the threading pitch and processing length and automatically cut the thread.

      Also..

      Warco 210G. I believe this is also a rebadged Weiss? Not sure. I though this had the same quick-change feature as the lathe above but on second read it’s nothing to do with the thread cutting gears, rather you can change between high and low spindle speed with the turn of a know.

      https://www.warco.co.uk/home/303702-d330-pro-lathe.html

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      #765985
      Nick Wheeler
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        @nickwheeler

        It’s about time something like that was available. Swapping change gears is a pain, and full electronic control drags the traditional gearbox into the twentieth century. I’d happily buy one even though they have fallen into the trap of operating several complex functions via just five buttons and a tiny screen for the menus.

        #765986
        Lee Cooper
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          @leecooper46013

          Certainly agree that the interface looks a bit painful, but yes, definitely less painful than swapping gears out.

          #765998
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            I think you wil find it is  not an electronic gear change, it has an ELS type electronic drive to the lead screw and the pitch is set to whatever numbers you enter rather than selecting from a range of gears which woul dbe the case if it were an electric gear change. Similar sort of thing to the EL300 which I have posted about here before.

            Will have a look as this may also use the direct drive of the 210D where the brushless motor’s shaft is actually the lathe spindle. which makes it easier to keep track of spindle & leadscrew position. EDIT no separate motor and two range pulleys

             

            As for the 210G that is a geared head lathe Big knob at the top selects two different gear ratios. Unlikely to be any syncromesh so will need changing with the lathe stopped and the chuck rocking by hand to help it into gear just like other gear head lathes.

            #766012
            John Hinkley
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              @johnhinkley26699

              In a similar vein, Amadeal are currently accepting advance orders for a ball screw vertical mill, also from the Weiss stable which, judging from the video, looks VERY interesting (and tempting).  I would assume that it uses similar, if not identical, software and is supposedly ideal for later expansion to CNC control.

              If I hadn’t recently had a mini stroke, I think I might have already placed an order!  As it is, I’ll wait to see how things progress.

              John

              Edit:  No sympathy replies, please, it was a really MINI one!

               

              #766018
              Bazyle
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                @bazyle

                My 100yr old Drummond can still cut any thread. Complex electronics have a 0.5% failure rate out of the box and at best 14yrs MTBF. By the way that doesn’t mean it won’t fail for 14 years so it will outlive you it means ALL units will have failed within 14 years.

                #766026
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  John, I could not see anything on the mill to suggest it had electronic control. Just ball screws which as you say would make for easier CNC conversion. But begs the question why did they only put the ball screws on X&Y and not the Z axis too?

                  It does have a foot switch for the tapping function which is a bit easier than the quill mounted buttons you see on other machines and the head is now fixed so less problem setting it vertical after tilting.

                  I expect the electronics on the lathe are no different to what people are buying from overseas to make their own ELS convesions and all seem happy with those.

                  #766028
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133

                    Bazyle,

                    That’s a novel interpretation of

                    Mean Time Between Failures

                    … could you please explain ?

                    MichaelG.

                    .

                    Refhttps://fiixsoftware.com/maintenance-metrics/mean-time-between-fail-maintenance/

                     

                    #766029
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133
                      On JasonB Said:
                      […] why did they only put the ball screws on X&Y and not the Z axis too? […]

                      My guess … Because with all that Gravity acting in Z there is just too much risk of back-driving.

                      MichaelG.

                      #766030
                      Nick Wheeler
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                        @nickwheeler
                        On Bazyle Said:

                        My 100yr old Drummond can still cut any thread. Complex electronics have a 0.5% failure rate out of the box and at best 14yrs MTBF. By the way that doesn’t mean it won’t fail for 14 years so it will outlive you it means ALL units will have failed within 14 years.

                        Wow. I suppose I’d better throw away every electronic device in this house, as very few of them are less than 14 years old. But MTBF is Mean Time Between Failure not Maximum, which suggests your conclusion is flawed. Hopefully your Drummond is still treadle driven, so you can wear out your own joints instead of easily replaceable parts.

                         

                        I wonder what the failure rate for new, complex, mass-produced mechanical things is? 0.5% seems like an acceptably low number to me. I’ve recovered dozens of brand new vehicles from the importers quayside to the nearest dealer for repair before they could be delivered to the dealer that ordered them. As had all of my colleagues.

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