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    Bob
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      @bob17059

      I recall an article in one of the UK Model Engineering publications on how to duplicate a lathe mandrel. The method used the three wire technique to measure the thread diameter. It would probably have been in the 80’s or possibly early 90’s and in ME, MEW or EiM. The reason for my interest is to make a gauge to test the fit of backplate threads whilst still in the chuck and without having to remove the chuck from the lathe in order to check the fit of the thread.

      I have searched the usual indexes to no avail.

      Bob

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      #760797
      jimmy b
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        @jimmyb

        Bob,

        Do you just need the formula?

         

        If you message me with your email, I can happily send you the formulas etc.

         

        Jimb

        #760800
        Bob
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          @bob17059

          Hi Jimb

           

          No I can work out the three wire method I just wanted to re-read the article to check for any ‘gotcha’s’ that might trip me up.

           

          Bob

          #760806
          Charles Lamont
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            @charleslamont71117

            If you have already got more than one thing that fits on the mandrel, you can make a plug that one of them fits over, and use that as a gauge. The thread is not super critical, it is the register diameter and face that matter.

            #760813
            Bob
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              @bob17059

              Hi Charles

               

              I would tend to agree with you on that point but Tony (of lathes.co.uk fame) seems to have a different view indicating that the register diameter might not be all that important ( see https://www.lathes.co.uk/latheparts/page7.html towards the end of the description on how to make a backplate)

               

              Bob

              #760840
              Neil Lickfold
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                @neillickfold44316

                Find 3 wires that fit into the thread form being compared. They need to be big enough that they sit on the sides of the thread form and above the major diameter of  the thread being checked.

                I use whit grease to gold the wires in place. Often I use 3 drills for  the wires , choosing a size that fits into the thread. If the thread is quite course, then it can be difficult to get the 3 wires under the micrometer anvil. Then I use a piece of plate of some sort to span the pair of wires. I use it as a comparator instead of an exact thread pitch diameter. There are calculations for using wires to get the effective thread pitch diameter.

                I made a mandrel that represents my S7 spindle thread and register diameter.  The 3 wire method was very effective. Being a 12 TPI thread the micrometer anvil does span the pair of wires. But I find it easier if I have a little plate over the pair of wires.

                Neil

                #760868
                Bob
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                  @bob17059

                  Hi Neil

                  Good point about the mic anvil spanning the wires. My mandrel is 8 TPI ( Smart and Brown Model A 1 3/4″ 8 TPI) so the problem is even greater here.

                  Bob

                  #760869
                  Bazyle
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                    @bazyle

                    For some common lathes, like Myford and Boxford, you can get threaded adaptors on a MT2 or 3 thread for use to mount a chuck on a rotary table (that often have a MT hole). One such might be accurate enough if a good fit, though it could be a bit loose if a bit cheap.

                    #760883
                    DC31k
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                      @dc31k
                      On Bob Said:

                      ..I just wanted to re-read the article to check for any ‘gotcha’s’ that might trip me up.

                      There is a searchable index to ME, MEW and EIM here:

                      http://www.imes.org.uk/me_index/index.php

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