MEW 344 Machinig large diameters

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    Robert Atkinson 2
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      In this article the author looks at ways of machining a large diameter clock bezel on lathe or mill. For the mill he uses a rotary table. He says later that he could machine up to 12″ diameter  on his mill, limited by the throat depth (Y axis travel). For a narrow ring shape like the bezel surely the diameter is only limited by how far away from the spindle you can mount the center of the rotary table. The Y travel then limits the width of the part. In theory you could puta a plate under the rotaary table. Have one lug of the rotary table bolted to the mill table with the outside edge supported on a wheeled support allowing for Y axis movement. Diagonals would be required to stop it swinging, possibly with turnbuckles to tension them. You would also need a support disk (chuck) on the rotary table and probably another rotating support for that under the spindle location. Once ththe RT center is aligned with the spindle centerline the X axis can be locked.
      A lot of setup and only good for light cuts in softer materials but if needs must…

      Or am I missing something?

      Robert.

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      #754182
      JasonB
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        @jasonb

        I think that 45deg chamfer may have been the limiting cut in the case of that bezel.

        If it were straight sided then yes the R/T can be offset further to one side or the front.

        #754196
        Nigel Graham 2
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          @nigelgraham2

          I have used something like that extension-plate set-up, not for milling large discs but for drilling the rivet holes round a smokebox over 8 inches outside diameter, in a horizontal mill rather small for such antics.

          I bolted the rotary-table to a thick steel bar that had come with the machine, with mounting-slots milled along it: part of a between-centres jig the mill’s previous owner had made for cutting keyways, I would think . The bar itself was bolted across the centre of the table, so the RT was cantilevered by about half its diameter over the front. I did not add extra support, as I recall, but the machining load was very light, simply drilling 3/16″ dia. holes.

           

          So examining your proposal, I would suggest that the diagonal braces are rigid bars with holes on the inboard ends for T-nut screws. Avoiding the complication of tensioning.

          I would use angle-section or square-section tube rather than flat bar, for the braces, for extra rigidity.

           

          Where you have a wheel you could use a slide on a plate clamped to the knee, similarly to the table’s cross-feed support on a shaping-machine.

          #754211
          Ian P
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            @ianp

            This was my setup for cutting an O-ring groove near the periphery of a 50cm dimeter disk of 12mm thick acetal (Delrin). The rotary table is a modified VW front wheel hub fitted with a 250mm diameter ali plate, its free turning and has no indexing or worm drive. I machined the top surface true with a fly cutter in the mill spindle and was able to mount the acetal disk as I had already cut a large central hole using a router. I naively thought the the O-ring groove would have an even depth but had forgotten that much plastic sheet sheet material is not manufactured truly parallel and its thickness varies over the raw sheet size.

            To get the groove depth correct over is circa 1.5m length I rigidly mounted a ball race to run on the acetal top surface and put a spring (strong!) loaded ballrace on the disk underside pressing upwards. Although 12mm thick the acetal has enough flex to stay in contact with the roller.

            No real limit to the diameter one can machine if the mill is fastened to one end of a bench the R/T could be fastened to the other. The setup becomes a vertical lathe with active tooling!

            Ian P

            Cutting O-ring groove

            #754311
            Hopper
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              @hopper

              You could mount the RT on the far end of the table too, to get extra distance from the centre to the cutter up to a certain extent. But you would have to do a bit of trigonometry to calculate exact depth of cut or spacing of concentric cuts etc.

              #754323
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                Probably don’t need trig with it at the end of the table as you can keep it lined up on the Y axis. Only as the diameter gets very large would bringing the table forwards be needed and therefore trig so the circle clears the corner of the column but at that size you will need to move your mill away from the wall too.

                Alternative would be to support the R/T fowards of the mill so it is centred on X

                #754399
                Nigel Graham 2
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                  @nigelgraham2

                  If machining full circles only, would it invoke trigonometry?

                  Pythagoras perhaps – the only dimension involved is the radius and that would be a function of long and cross distances from the spindle axis. Trig. needs angles knowing, but I think here they are not needed.

                  I am thinking of machines with round column as well as square ones, and applicable whether working from dials or DRO.

                  If you start at the rotary-table and spindle on a mutual (0,0) position then the radius is the hypotenuse of a triangle formed by the two linear displacements. Work back from the radius and a sensible cross-travel to obtain the longitudinal travel.

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                  A few years ago I had a slightly similar problem when I needed drill sets of bolt-holes on pitch-circles on several plain discs. These had all been turned and the drilling was the second operation.

                  The radial accuracy was not too critical, within reason, as long I made the mating parts on the same set-up, and a rotary-table clamped down on a bench-drill was fine for the task. The holes accommodate only ordinary bolts.

                  I also realised the starting-point angularity did not matter, nor did centring the RT under the spindle, because the radius is always constant from the RT axis.

                  I marked out the discs, so could swing the head round the column until a centre-drill met the marked circles with the RT reading 0º, clamped all up, measured to verify the setting; then needed use only the degrees to locate the holes.

                  (I forget the details now but might have used the tool point in the lathe, as a scriber to mark the pitch-circle from the centre.)

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