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  • #753225
    messy457
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      @messy457

      Hello everyone,

      Thanks in advance for all the assistance!

      I’m a complete novice in the lathe space and would like to take it up as a hobby. I was originally planning to get a Chinese lathe but was highly advised not to by my mentor. He said a Colchester Student or Harrison M300 1960s-1980s would be the best fit.

      I’m after something in full working condition that doesn’t require any immediate attention. Ideally someone that’s stopping that wants to cheaply get rid of said lathe and all related accessories.

      If it’s England way that would be preferable but if I need to travel I’ll manage.

      It needs to be sub £1k.

      I’ve found a few for that price but normally all sold before I even get a look in, hopefully I’ll catch one before it’s  put up for sale.

      Thanks Again

      J

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      #753237
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133

        Whilst not wishing to dampen your enthusiasm … I have just carefully read your conflicting constraints !

        A glib response is : You may find one alongside the rocking-horse manure.

        MichaelG.

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        Edit: __ for a reality-check, I suggest you have a look at this site:

        https://www.colchesterspares.com/

         

        #753249
        JasonB
        Moderator
          @jasonb

          I think you will struggle at that price to find a machine and accessories that does not need attention be that damage or wear. Unless you can find a Widow or family that don’t know what a recently departed’s machine is worth.

          #753253
          messy457
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            @messy457
            #753255
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              Just one example, to make my point:

              https://www.colchesterspares.com/tailstocks

              MichaelG.

              #753261
              JasonB
              Moderator
                @jasonb

                Does your budget include for an inverter, etc to get the 3-phase machine running or are you lucky enough to have 3P supply?

                #753273
                messy457
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                  @messy457

                  Lathe only. I’m assuming another 1k for tooling, inverter, restoration etc.

                  #753285
                  Dave Halford
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                    @davehalford22513

                    On a site that in the main generously values tools I’d say you were lucky to miss it.

                    Beware of the freshly painted and ask for close up photos of the ways near the chuck to check for wear ridges.

                    #753288
                    John Haine
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                      @johnhaine32865

                      I can understand why your mentor might advise that but probably based on his own experience, possibly in industry.  If you did manage to find one sub 1k it’s likely to be in poor condition and would hinder you as a novice never knowing whether it was your skill level or the machine.  Also for this type of lathe you would need to factor in a generous allowance for moving a heavy chunk of iron.

                      You will see on this site that many people (JasonB for one) have done excellent work on Chinese machines and you can buy a package including a range of accessories from ArcEurotrade for one at a price withing your budget.  And you get a warranty from a well-regarded supplier.

                      #753292
                      messy457
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                        @messy457

                        I need a bore diameter of 32mm minimum and I’ll be turning stainless steel that needs to be held to thou or less tolerances. Mentor also said I’ll need a short headstock as I’ll be holding material from both sides for maximum concentricity and rigidity.

                        #753293
                        SillyOldDuffer
                        Moderator
                          @sillyoldduffer

                          Did your mentor agree the wish-list?  If he did ask him to find the lathe for you!   He’ll almost certainly fail, because the problem is availability and cost, not just the hardware.

                          Though a member recently picked up a Myford for £200, that’s extremely rare, requiring gigantic luck!

                          Some prices from a dealer, dearer than private sellers, but dealers will deliver and a offer a warranty.  They are also available now. Examples from back page of June 13 Model Engineer magazine and the prices are all VAT exclusive:

                          Long bed Colchester Bantam 2000 £4950
                          Myford 254 Plus    £7250
                          Smart and Brown Sabel £950
                          Myford Connoisseur £9750
                          Myford Super 7B  £3450
                          Myford Speed 10  £2000
                          Colchester Triumph 2000  £9750
                          Harrison M300 £3950
                          Wolf-Jahn  £3250
                          Schaubin 70  £12000

                          Alternatively, start looking for private second-hand – the magazines, this forum, lathes.co.uk, ebay, clubs etc.   Then wheel out the mentor to look at it – his experience will detect faults, missing parts, damage, and other nasties.

                          Did the mentor mention that the lathes he recommended usually require a 3-phase supply?   Not difficult if the cash is available, but bad news if all the money was spent on the lathe.    The budget also has to accommodate tools, accessories, consumables and materials.   Nothing worse than having a lovely lathe that can’t be used because the owner was surprised by the need to pay for the electrics and other essentials.

                          I advise against insisting on a particular machine unless money is no object.  Nothing wrong with a Colchester Student or Harrison M300, but don’t ignore the many alternatives, including Chinese.   Your mentor’s dislike of Far Eastern machines may be prejudice, or related to how he uses his equipment, which may not match your needs at all.  Beware the chap who insists only a Dean Smith and Grace in mint condition will do!  Make your own mind up.   I had enormous fun with a mini-lathe and learned all the basics on it.  Main problem was it was too small!   I replaced it with a bigger Chinese lathe, which does all I want.   Listening to your mentor would have messed me up.

                          Don’t be put off, it’s not that difficult to get into the hobby.   At the moment the wish-list is very optimistic, either widen the choice of machines, or increase the budget, or both!

                          Though I wanted a new bright-red Ferrari, I actually drive a second-hand ordinary Corsa…

                          Good luck.

                          Dave

                          #753296
                          Nicholas Farr
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                            @nicholasfarr14254

                            Hi, the Student is an old machine, and were last made 50 or so years ago, but while they are good machines, they will wear over time and use, I’ve used one in one of my day jobs, and that was fairly well worn, so getting a cheap one could cost you just as much again or more, to restore it. Nothing really wrong with getting a decent Chinese lathe, but if you are planning to do really high spec work, you’ll have to pay a few thousand quid for one. The Harrison ones seem to fetch a much higher price though.

                            To be honest, being that you are a novice, you may be better off buying any reasonable cheap lathe to get you started and gain a bit of experience of using a lathe, that way if you mess up the machine, it won’t hurt your wallet so much.

                            Regards Nick.

                            #753298
                            messy457
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                              @messy457

                              I was told to get either or as he’s very familiar with both and know they work perfectly as I’ll be undertaking the same work as him.

                              The budget constraint is 100% me. I was planning to get a working lathe for £1k then another £1k for restoration, tooling etc. I don’t want to be £5k deep in something from the get go, just in case.

                              I’m an engineer by trade so can iron out issues as they arrive but a generally working machine that I can give some TLC would be ideal.

                              #753301
                              peak4
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                                @peak4

                                I spent a year or two looking for a decent M300 or similar and put in a lot of miles around the country.
                                My home town at the time has a couple of reliable machinery dealers; here’s two of examples from a dealer there
                                https://www.pjmachines.com/blank?Category=Lathes
                                Colchester Bantum (sic) £2K   & an M300 £2.5K

                                I was looking at an M300 at this one, and arranged a demo of an affordable machine so he wired it up for me in advance; it had a distinct tick when running from the headstock, so likely a chipped gear.
                                All credit to the owner of the company, he noticed it too, so we left it on the shelf as it were, as the price of a replacement headstock gear (pair) would have exceeded my budget.
                                I relate that as you need to see a machine up and running; Ideally under load, rather than just looking for observable bed wear.
                                In the end I picked up a Warco GH1330 from a deceased estate, via a third party who knew its true value, but that was £2k by the time I’d arranged transport 5 years ago and they’ve increased in value since then.
                                Phil has M300s & M250s, but is unlikely to be cheap and prices are POA
                                http://www.philgeesinmachinery.co.uk/used-machine-tools/lathes/

                                Tony’s site has a Mk2 Student for £850
                                https://store.lathes.co.uk/adverts/for-sale/colchester-student-mk-2-lathe-0

                                https://lathes.co.uk/page3.html/

                                Bill

                                p.s. don’t forget that wiring up an industrial machine with safety interlocks etc, to an inverter, is rather more complicated than a simple home machine with just a single motor.

                                #753308
                                bernard towers
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                                  @bernardtowers37738

                                  there is also a 5″ raglan in the classifieds which won’t break the bank.

                                  #753310
                                  JasonB
                                  Moderator
                                    @jasonb

                                    As it sounds like you want to use this commercially you should really also factor in bringing it upto safety standards. Might get away without if just using in the garage at home but if you were to have an accident will insurance co pay out if it did not have chuck and leadscrew covers etc?

                                    Hopefully you will find one with a good collet chuck for your holding needs unless you are going to clock it in with a 4-jaw every time. Even if you went soft jaws in a 3-jaw you are going to have to factor in a used machine will come with a worn chuck.

                                    #753313
                                    messy457
                                    Participant
                                      @messy457

                                      Not commercially, just in the garage at home. I would most likely get a new jaw setup down the line. As long as the main bulk is good.

                                      #753314
                                      Bazyle
                                      Participant
                                        @bazyle

                                        As you have seen the normal prices that cheap one linked above must be in a very obscure corner of Scotland otherwise it would have been snapped up by a garage trader instantly. Since you started by saying you were a complete novice and the search may take years you should get a little old Drummond or something for about £300 to learn a bit before going all out with a 3HP machine.

                                        #753324
                                        messy457
                                        Participant
                                          @messy457

                                          What’s the best new lathe I could get for £1k. Assuming bore size would be too small and not suitable for stainless?

                                          #753332
                                          Nicholas Farr
                                          Participant
                                            @nicholasfarr14254

                                            Hi messy457, the best new lathe you will get for up to £1k, will be one of the many Mini lathes. However, the best new lathe would be what you are wanting to do on it, and most of them are above £1K and higher, which is dependent on how large a piece of metal you wish to use on it among other things, to start with. But only you can decide, as one mans delight maybe others horror.

                                            Regards Nick.

                                            #753335
                                            Martin of Wick
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                                              @martinofwick

                                              For your budget I have good news…. you may pick any lathe with two of your three preferred criteria as set out below:

                                              Large capacity / excellent quality & condition / low cost

                                              There are units on AMZ that met your bore size and cost criteria.

                                              #753339
                                              JasonB
                                              Moderator
                                                @jasonb

                                                Is it just this machining of stainless you want it for? And how much metal to remove? is it just opening out the end of stainless tube or reducing long lengths of 30mm bar down to a much smaller diameter?

                                                While there are bechtop machines out there that will pass 38mm through the (short) spindle and could turn stainless to within a thou for under £1K new it is not something you may want to do on them regularly or if time matters.

                                                #753341
                                                messy457
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                                                  @messy457

                                                  The stainless will be the largest and hardest operation I’ll be doing. I’d be doing this once perhaps twice a year with  no real timeframe or urgency just a quality job. It’ll be threading a 1.25″ bar to 1 1/16 x 18 for a length of around an inch. Then reaming the inside to a set dimension maximum 3″ in length with maximum 0.600″ diameter.

                                                  The other times will be me just practising and having fun, most likely will aluminium and brass.

                                                  #753342
                                                  Oldiron
                                                  Participant
                                                    @oldiron

                                                    Good luck in your search. BUT I think your mentor has missed out an important message. Be realistic.  1k + 1k will get you nothing near the well looked after in almost perfect nick machine that you are looking for. Even a half decent Boxford with a 22mm bore will set you back that much or more.

                                                    #753349
                                                    Martin of Wick
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                                                      @martinofwick

                                                      The other times will be me just practising and having fun, most likely will aluminium and brass.

                                                      In that case you don’t need an industrial lathe.

                                                      There are units on AMZ that met your bore size and cost criteria. Quality, Meh! but by the time you have practiced whittling down bits of aluminium, you will have worked out what all the faults are and be capable of remediating them.

                                                      For the once a year ss threading job – you can sub that out to a proper machine shop.

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