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  • #752440
    ichad
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      @ichad

      Help to identify old oil can please. I’ve looked online at old oil cans and this one looks railway orientated or Possible Keyes. Its soldered construction and has a chain cap lid, push on, not threaded. I’ve attached pictures with house brick wall behind for scale. I would be very grateful if anyone could help.IMG_2597IMG_2596IMG_2595

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      #752451
      Nigel Bennett
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        @nigelbennett69913

        I would expect to see a soldered-on or stamped-in “Kaye” if it was a Kaye’s one. Could be Braime’s of Leeds, who made similar things and they were just round the corner from Kaye’s.

        I used to work for Kaye’s, but sadly some bozo trashed all the oil can drawings, “because we don’t make them any more”. I remember taking in my miniature Meccano one to work and the chap who used to make them was delighted to see it; his eyes lit up and he reminisced about making them.

        #752494
        SillyOldDuffer
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          @sillyoldduffer

          Is anyone able to confirm it is an oil-can?

          Looks to me as if the chained lid doubles as a measuring cup, implying the contents were doled out accurately, which is rarely necessary with oil.    My first thought was Rum, then disinfectant.  Possibly oil for mixing into petrol to make two stroke.

          Not so long ago, containers like this were made by the million out of earthenware, glass and tin-plate.    Tin-plate cost more but sealed well, where lightweight, and could be knocked about without breaking.   They had a multitude of uses, I think this one a bit special because ordinary lids were rarely chained.

          I expect it was labelled and painted when new making identification easy.  Then, in the past, someone cleaned it off to keep us amused!

          Dave

           

          #752495
          bernard towers
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            @bernardtowers37738

            I have seen them before with a chain through the handle and a stamped tag attached with the contents. Also doubt very much that it has ever been painted.

            #752538
            Diogenes
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              @diogenes

              ..maybe you could buy cans like that back in the days when paraffin (Whale Oil, Coal Tar 😉)was a weekly purchase and you had to fetch it in your own container..

              #752581
              Nigel Graham 2
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                @nigelgraham2

                Cans like that were probably about as universal as buckets, but its first owner could well have been a railway company.

                #752585
                ichad
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                  @ichad

                  Thanks so much for the information, great response on only the 1st day of posting.

                  #752596
                  not done it yet
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                    @notdoneityet

                    I very much doubt the cap was a measuring device – unless it is a later addition. or cleverly sealed on the inside of the cap.  Looks, to me, the chain is just a means of not losing the cap!

                    #752618
                    SillyOldDuffer
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                      @sillyoldduffer
                      On not done it yet Said:

                      I very much doubt the cap was a measuring device – unless it is a later addition. or cleverly sealed on the inside of the cap.  Looks, to me, the chain is just a means of not losing the cap!

                      Well, I suggest a maker deliberately fitting a leaky cap to a well-made container is equally unlikely!  Especially as it’s easy to seal the inside with a soldered disc.

                      I hope ichad will let us know.   He can test the cup by fulling it with water.   If it doesn’t leak, be interesting to know how much liquid the cup contains.  I predict a nice round number of fluid ounces, or maybe drachms.

                      Dave

                       

                      #752634
                      ichad
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                        @ichad

                        The cup/cap has a hole in the top with the chain passing through so cant be filled with liquid or used as a measure.IMG_2596

                        #752639
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133
                          On ichad Said:

                          The cup/cap has a hole in the top with the chain passing through so cant be filled with liquid or used as a measure.IMG_2596

                          As made … or as modified ?

                          MichaelG.

                          #752657
                          SillyOldDuffer
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                            @sillyoldduffer
                            On ichad Said:

                            The cup/cap has a hole in the top with the chain passing through so cant be filled with liquid or used as a measure.

                            A clue!  Whatever was stored in the container didn’t smell or evaporate, and knock-over spillage didn’t matter much.  But it was necessary to prevent slopping or to keep dirt out.  Not anything that reacts with metal.   Oil unlikely because spills are a messy fire-hazard, though might be OK for transporting lube from a big tank across a yard to refill squirty oil-cans.  Or other short-range carrying for distribution, such as taking beer home from a pub – this was once common.

                            A huge number of possibilities.

                            Dave

                            #752661
                            Maurice Taylor
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                              @mauricetaylor82093

                              Hi,

                              With that short chain it would be difficult to fill the cup,most of it would be on the floor .It has also got a hole in it.

                              Maurice

                              #752669
                              ichad
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                                @ichad

                                It’s shinny clean inside with a clean oil residue.

                                 

                                #752680
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                  I have taken the liberty of cropping the photo … just to focus attention on the important detail

                                  MichaelG.

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                                  IMG_0085

                                  #752685
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    @michaelgilligan61133

                                    Google ‘Lens’ does a pretty-good job of finding similar images

                                    MichaelG.

                                    #752863
                                    ichad
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                                      @ichad

                                      I’ve found something very similar on a well known auction site listed as a Shell Rotella oil can.Shell Rotella can

                                      #753052
                                      Neil Wyatt
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                                        @neilwyatt
                                        On ichad Said:

                                        I’ve found something very similar on a well known auction site listed as a Shell Rotella oil can.Shell Rotella can

                                        Note the chain attachment point is the same, although the cap is missing.

                                        #753070
                                        SillyOldDuffer
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                                          @sillyoldduffer

                                          Hmm, I think this is a genuine Shell Rotella, yellow and red, not green.

                                          rotella

                                          The real one has a sealed cap too.   I’m worried about the chain leaving a hole in ichad’s cap because it’s bound to leak.   As the container is otherwise very well-made, it’s an odd feature, probably deliberate.   Perhaps some liquid that needs to breathe.   Dunno.

                                          Dave

                                           

                                           

                                          #753107
                                          Nicholas Farr
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                                            @nicholasfarr14254

                                            Hi, just found that green one that Icad has posted, and it has a welded on plate with 1383 Rotella on it on four of the photos.

                                            Regards Nick.

                                            #753100
                                            joshuada silva
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                                              @joshuada-silva

                                              I’ve seen similar items with a chain and a stamped tag describing the contents, but I doubt they’ve been painted.

                                              #753182
                                              duncan webster 1
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                                                @duncanwebster1

                                                If you Google Rotella you find it’s still available. It is likely that the design of tin has changed over the years. Rectangular tins pack into transport and storage better than round. I’d guess the round ones gare older

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