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    Shaun Churchill
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      @shaunchurchill54517

      This is a bit of a speculative question about the engineers conversion charts that one finds in several well-know wooden toolmakers tool chests of yesteryear. I have several such tool chests and the printed conversion charts that are attached to the underside of the hinged top section of the chests are looking a bit tired. As it would appear that Salmen the original printers of these charts is no longer in existence I am in the process of getting some made and laminated. Just wondered if there is any mileage in getting a quantity made and selling them on for a wee bit of profit?

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      #746952
      bernard towers
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        @bernardtowers37738

        What are these charts like I am intrigued as none of mine have them or my sons and either of my mates. A quick photo would be helpful.I would not be surprised if the chart is not on the web.

        #746955
        bernard towers
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          @bernardtowers37738

          The Neilson one I have just found on the net is almost identical to the Myford offering

          #746958
          DC31k
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            @dc31k
            On bernard towers Said:

            The Neilson one I have just found on the net is almost identical to the Myford offering

            Please could you post a link to the Myford or Neilson one. The only Myford one I can see is a wall chart, measuring 620 x 430mm. Please could you say how this might be “attached to the underside of the hinged top section of the chests”. It does seem rather excessive in girth for such an application.

            #746961
            Shaun Churchill
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              @shaunchurchill54517

              Bernard,

              The Myford chart you refer to I have on my workshop wall and its far too big to fit inside the top section of your average tool chest. As I said these charts were printed by Salmen for both Union and Neslein tool chests but are now out of print. I have just purchased a mint Neslein tool chest but the chart is a tad tired so hence the question. I am having 4 off made initially with them also being professionally laminated. They are a rather odd size at: 13 3/8” x 7 1/2” so hence are not cheap to replicate.

              #746962
              Shaun Churchill
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                @shaunchurchill54517

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                #746963
                Shaun Churchill
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                  @shaunchurchill54517

                  The corners of the chart tuck into pressed aluminium corner retainers that are discretely stapled to the underside of the tool chest hinged lid. If you dont have a tool chest with the hinged top section you wouldnt have these.

                  #746964
                  Bazyle
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                    @bazyle

                    My version, from a GLR or Kennions catalogue 30 years ago also has a column for what it was the tapping drill for.
                    Trouble is one needs at least twice as many tables as this. I have a few of the ones sometimes given as separate sheets in ME over the years.

                    #746968
                    Shaun Churchill
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                      @shaunchurchill54517

                      Thats why I have numerous Zeus books both in my workshop and at my CAD / CAM computer. Best investment anyone can make is a Zeus book IMHO😀

                      #746969
                      Shaun Churchill
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                        @shaunchurchill54517

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                        #746970
                        Tony Pratt 1
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                          @tonypratt1
                          On Shaun Churchill Said:

                          This is a bit of a speculative question about the engineers conversion charts that one finds in several well-know wooden toolmakers tool chests of yesteryear. I have several such tool chests and the printed conversion charts that are attached to the underside of the hinged top section of the chests are looking a bit tired. As it would appear that Salmen the original printers of these charts is no longer in existence I am in the process of getting some made and laminated. Just wondered if there is any mileage in getting a quantity made and selling them on for a wee bit of profit?

                          Shaun, Thanks for the memories! My late father bought me a Neslein wooden tool chest back in the mid seventies with a hinged lid, the chart has long gone but I have one Aluminium corner piece still attached. 🙂

                          Tony

                          #746973
                          Shaun Churchill
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                            @shaunchurchill54517

                            And also rely on a wartime edition of Machinery Handbook and a similarly aged Molesworth.

                            #746980
                            Shaun Churchill
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                              @shaunchurchill54517

                              Tony,

                              Nowt wrong with the occasional foray down memory lane. I had a similar scenario just before Covid lockdown when my motorcycle and workshop were featured in a now defunct magazine publication. I was asked to say what were my five favourite tools and one of them was my late father’s Snap-On 1/4” drive socket set. The journalist put this in the article under the heading of the “from the sublime to the sentimental”. I have to say this brought a tear to my eyes when I read it in print. It just reminded me how much I still miss my dad after 40 years since he passed. I was only 14 at the time.

                              #746996
                              bernard towers
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                                @bernardtowers37738

                                If you were going to make up your own charts why cant you reduce the Myford one?

                                #747002
                                Bo’sun
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                                  @bosun58570
                                  On Shaun Churchill Said:

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                                  Those look very similar in style to the ones given to me as a Ford apprentice in 1972/73.  They’re loose cards about A5 size, and also include things such as, tapers, PCD co-ordinates, log & trig tables, chemical symbols, etc.  Maybe I’ll laminate them and make a convenient binder.  Probably for posterity.

                                  #747006
                                  Fulmen
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                                    @fulmen

                                    Is this where you explain the superiority of imperial measurements?

                                     

                                    *running for the door*

                                     

                                    #747024
                                    Shaun Churchill
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                                      @shaunchurchill54517

                                      Only a yank would attempt to extol the virtues of imperial over the metric system😂

                                      #747027
                                      Shaun Churchill
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                                        @shaunchurchill54517

                                        I am replicating these charts not trying to reinvent them in any way.

                                        #747038
                                        JasonB
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                                          @jasonb

                                          I thought that was the whole idea of the chart so you could convert from old fractional bananas to that new fangled metric system. 😉

                                          I’ve an A4 sized one very similar to the central conversion chart that was in the back of one of the suppliers catalogues a copy of which is on the wall behind the lathe but these days it does not get used much. As I tend to redraw everything now in metric all the work gets done on the ‘puter. I’ve even moved my Bisley draws around putting the BA and ME taps & dies at the bottom as they seldon get used these days.

                                          As I don’t have any number drills the thread charts would also be of little use to me, at least the reverse side of the conversion chart has the sizes in 0.1mm increments for tapping and clearance of vartious threads.

                                          Anything else there is the calculator on internet via the phone.

                                          #747080
                                          Hollowpoint
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                                            @hollowpoint

                                            I still use a chart regularly. I grew up after we changed over to metric and we were never taught imperial at school so it’s a bit alien to me. I know common size fractions (1/8 1/4 3/8 1/2) off by heart, but the minute I need to know 7/32 or 11/64 I run over to my wall chart. Yes I could use my phone, but I’d rather not cover it in swarf and oil.

                                            #747084
                                            Gerard O’Toole
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                                              @gerardotoole60348

                                              Quote “They are a rather odd size at: 13 3/8” x 7 1/2” 

                                              That is not too far off Foolscap size. Though where you might get foolscap paper for a printer I don’t know

                                              #747090
                                              JasonB
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                                                @jasonb

                                                Just print on A3 and trim the excess. Same with laminating do it to a standard A3 size and trim off what is not needed

                                                Anyone checked the figures on that chart, seems little point in doing the mm to 4 decimal places and then rounding it up, I just picked the first one.

                                                1/128″ is 0.1984mm not 0.2000

                                                #747111
                                                Fulmen
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                                                  @fulmen

                                                  You guys are no fun 🙂

                                                  But yeah, swapping the system mid-life isn’t fun. Once you’re used to something it’s hard to let it go, I still do all my reloading in grains.

                                                  #747144
                                                  Charles Lamont
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                                                    @charleslamont71117

                                                    For the shop I have a disintegrating copy of Basic Workshop Table by Hodgkinson. The print is much more legible than the Zeus. These are long-since out of print, unfortunately.

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                                                    I have been making my own laminated sheets for a while, but have yet to come up with a consistent compact layout that I could bind. This one, which needs updating, shows my available metric drills.

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                                                    For design work at the computer I am building up my own little workshop tables applicaton in Python:

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                                                    #747149
                                                    Nicholas Farr
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                                                      @nicholasfarr14254

                                                      Hi Shuan, like JasonB has said, use a piece of A3 paper, which you can trim to A4 width and 14″ long, if you only have an A4 printer, just use the custom page in your printer’s settings where you can select the paper size.

                                                      Regards Nick.

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