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    David Leahy 1
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      Dear All,

      I have a horizontal band saw that I have used for nearly 10 years on a rotary converter. This has given me 400v and the saw has worked very well. The rotary converter has now died and I have converted my Bridport to a VFD and again it works really well and I no longer have the horrible noise of the rotary converter.

      My question is do I need to buy another VFD (230-400v) for the saw or can I convert this motor to run on 3-phase 230v as I already have this VFD? Or can I run it on 1-phase 230v, which I doubt?

      Any suggestions will be very useful.

      Thankyou in advance.

      Dave.HBS01HBS02

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      #740927
      noel shelley
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        @noelshelley55608

        Take off the connector cover and see how many terminals there are ? If there are 6 then it is easy to reconnect to delta ie 240v. Then use a VFD. If only 3 it may be more difficult to find the star point and separate the 3 tails. Good Luck. Noel.

        #740929
        David Leahy 1
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          @davidleahy1

          I have looked under the connector cover and there are only 3 terminals? Does this mean I am stuck with having to use a 400v output?

          #740933
          RobCox
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            You can certainly run it on a 220V VFD, but single phase is probably not going to work very well.

            For single phase, you would need to connect it in a Steinmetz connection with a capacitor providing an approximation to the third phase. Looking at that saw, the motor looks reasonably powerful so it would be a big capacitor. You’d probably need to step 240V mains up to 400V with a transformer too. So practically, I wouldn’t go down this route.

            If you open up the connection box on the motor, is it dual voltage, ie. are there links which enable it to be reconfigured from star to delta (or mesh). The motor plate may tell you already if it’s dual voltage. If so, reconfigure it to 220V and use a 220V VFD. If not, use a 220V VFD and refer to this article:

            https://inverterdrive.com/howto/240V-Supply-to-a-400V-AC-Motor/

            I’ve been running my Elliott Omnimill like this for years and it works well.

            I see you mention already having the VFD. Personally I’d have a dedicated VFD per machine. Depending on which VFD you have, there can be issues switching at the synthesised 3 phase outputs, and I’d ideally rate the VFD to match the motor (but I haven’t always stuck to this).

            Rob

            #740948
            john fletcher 1
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              @johnfletcher1

              A few years ago some one posted on HERE some excellent pictures of how locate the STAR point on a 3 terminal three phase motor and how to bring out the 3 extra wires for Delta. Unfortunately I don’t know how to recover those pictures, perhaps some one else can for you. Not difficult to do. Seem a shame to use an inverter on mundane thing like a single speed saw, why not fit a half HP single phase motor and save the inverter for some thing more important. John

              #740957
              Speedy Builder5
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                @speedybuilder5

                Do you use the converter to change the speed of the saw – if not, a single phase 240 volt motor would be just as good. All this mucking about with 400 volts worries me !

                #740962
                Vic
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                  @vic

                  I ran my old three phase milling machine on 240V single phase with a large capacitor without any *issues. Much depends on the motor though. If you do a Google there is quite a bit of information about this on the net.

                  *Apparenly you only get about 80% of the rated power of the motor, but it wasn’t an issue on my mill.

                  #743432
                  Nigel Brown 5
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                    @nigelbrown5

                    Looking at the connections there will only be 3 and possibly underneath links. Can you take the electrical cover off and post the photo?

                    This may help giving info ( I converted a similar motor ) VDF’s are great I have several!

                    #743441
                    SillyOldDuffer
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                      @sillyoldduffer

                      Not difficult these days to get affordable 240 single-phase to 400V 3-phase VFDs.   They remove the need to mess with connections, and especially not having to dig inside a star only motor to break the star and lead the winding ends out.

                      Vic recommends Steinmetz, but as he says much depends on the motor.   Also what the owner is prepared to tolerate.  At best, a Steinmetz connected motor will lose at least 30% of it’s power output, and,  more problematically,  starting torque is reduced to about 30% of true 3-phase.   That the motor is crippled may not matter if the machine still does all the owner expects of it.   A VFD corrects all the shortcomings of a Steinmetz connection, and adds many other features.

                      Dave

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