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  • #740542
    robin coleman
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      1. As a newbie I have just got myself a Clarke metalworker pillar drill.My question is what speeds should I use for drilling metal.
      2. regards Robin
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      #740543
      JasonB
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        #740547
        SillyOldDuffer
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          @sillyoldduffer

          A good rule of thumb for mild-steel is:

          RPM = 10000 / diameter of drill (mm)

          This formula gives 400rpm for a 25mm drill in mild steel, compared with the 382rpm recommended in Jason’s table.  Close enough.

          Jason’s table also gives speeds for other metals, and the ratio between them can be used pro-rata on the mild-steel rule of thumb.   For example, the table shows Aluminium cuts roughly twice as fast as mild-steel, so a 25mm drill should be spun in Ali at 400×2 = 800rpm.   Cast iron cuts at roughly half mild-steel speed, so that’s 400/2 = 200rpm.

          Although the formula and table both get into the right ball-park, be prepared to experiment.  Best speed in practice depends on a bunch of other factors such as the machine’s power and rigidity, the exact alloy being drilled, state of the cutter, the feed-rate, and whether or not coolant is used.

          Dave

           

           

          #740554
          dodmole
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            @dodmole

            If your drill is similar to mine i.e. a 3 speed belt driven generic type then drilling speeds are academic.

            Mine has been on the lowest speed pulley setting ever since shortly after using it, the motor has barely enough oomph to run at the higher speeds when so to save fiddling about taking out screw, opening the cover, loosening belt, shifting to other groove, resetting belt tension, closing cover, spending time looking for the lost screw (‘cos if it is not screwed down it rattles) every time you change up or down a couple of drill sizes you soon leave it slow.

            P.S. by the time you have done all the above the drill will be through the metal even at the slowest speed.

            #740583
            robin coleman
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              @robincoleman77853

              So in most cases the smaller the drill the faster the speed or the larger the drill the slower the speed.

              #740597
              MikeK
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                @mikek40713
                On robin coleman Said:

                So in most cases the smaller the drill the faster the speed or the larger the drill the slower the speed.

                Yes, because the outer edge of a larger drill is moving faster in distance per unit time than that of a smaller drill with the same RPM.  Go too fast with a larger drill and you may generate enough heat to ruin it.

                #740664
                larry phelan 1
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                  @larryphelan1

                  Sparey gives a simple rule———80 over 1/4 of drill dia for MS.

                  This works out at about 320 revs for 1″ drills.

                  Have been using  this for years and found it to work well.

                  A lot depends on the machine, coolant, and the grade of steel [not always easy to tell !] , but still a good rule of thumb.

                  #740670
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    Just remember that only works if you have imperial thumbs!

                    #740710
                    noel shelley
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                      @noelshelley55608

                      Now you have your drilling machine, it’s time to get some drill bits. Do Not buy a boxed set of cheap ones, infact don’t buy cheap ones at all, they will cause little but trouble. Seek the advice of a good tool store as to names that will be reasonable quality. Start with a few of the sizes you think you will need, then as you use them buy others to suit the work. Then there is the issue of sharpening, a bench grinder will do ! Do a bit of reading on the matter and study the end of a new drill. A drill will more oft than not drill oversize, how much may well be governed by the sharpening. Not something to worry about now.

                      Your question about speeds has been answered by others and there are numerous charts, some will cover the small ones and the eye watering speeds recommended.

                      With stainless steel more common now drilling it is a skill ! Start with a sharp drill bit, use good lube eg RTD(this is also good for tapping/dieing – it’s not cheap ) and IF the bit stops cutting STOP ! Try to resharpen, but if this doesnt work then the hole has work hardened and will need a special type of bit.

                      If drilling holes in sheet be VERY careful ! Clamp the work and allow the drill to break through slowly ! DO NOT hold by hand – if it grabs it becomes a rotary knife. There are special drills for this work, but not often seen !

                      Ah well, good luck. Noel.

                      #740715
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        Commonly seen step drills are probably your best bet for sheet work rather than some of the other options with specially shaped ends. Their lack of spiral flutes also helps stop them from grabbing though always wise to clamp the work

                        #740718
                        robin coleman
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                          @robincoleman77853

                          Thank you for you advice.i have quite a few drill bits in both metric and imperial which were from a relative who did work for the MOD.I have a plastic moulded grinder attachment which I use to sharpen the drill bits.I have also purchased drill bits from boot sales.

                          #740729
                          SillyOldDuffer
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                            @sillyoldduffer
                            On robin coleman Said:

                            So in most cases the smaller the drill the faster the speed or the larger the drill the slower the speed.

                            Correct.

                            High-speed drilling was one of the innovations leading to modern painless dentistry;  previously dentists attacked teeth with small diameter drills at hand-speed rpm, which were agonisingly painful and took forever to do the job.  The same drills worked much better driven at 10000rpm. and stayed sharp longer.  Small diameter drills used to making printed circuit boards have to driven very fast, as do engraving tools, and high-speed spindles can be bought for that kind of work – up to about 40000rpm.

                            Conversely, large diameter drills and saws run much more slowly, and over-speeding them causes rapid blunting.

                            What the drill is made of makes a big difference.

                            • Cheap carbon steel drills are mainly for woodworking.  They overheat rapidly when used on metal and go blunt.  Divide rpm by 3, because most metal cutting advice assumes the work will be done with considerably better HSS tooling
                            • HSS drills are common, but watch out for ‘too cheap’.
                            • These days HSS often comes with a golden coating of Titanium Nitride.   TiN being harder than HSS protects the cutting edge, either allowing the drill to cut faster (higher RPM and/or feed-rate), or to last longer at normal RPM.
                            • Tungsten Carbide drills are much harder and more heat resistant than HSS.   They can be run at 2 to 6x times faster than HSS.

                            Though RPM isn’t critical, it pays to get it about right.   As a beginner, I found drills and other cutting tools went blunt extremely quickly.  One problem was my utterly useless collection of scrap metal, none of which machined well.  The other was me:  the metal removal rate depends on a combination of RPM and feed-rate.   Having sussed out RPM, beginners tend to either feed too gently, or too rapidly.  My fault was pussy-footing, not realising that low feed-rates rapidly blunt sharp cutting edges by rubbing them uselessly.  The feed rate has to be high enough to cut, with a fair amount of swarf coming off, not minced powder!   Conversely, too high a feed rate is bad for other reasons, so don’t be a gorilla!  All machines, cutters, and materials have a sweet spot, and it’s the machinists job to find it.   Don’t worry, it’s quite broad, and once aware it exists, not too difficult for a beginner at about the right RPM to find it.   Practice!

                            Beware drill sharpening attachments!  Grind accuracy is key to twist drill performance, and it’s difficult to get right.   Easier to learn on new drills that haven’t been sharpened before, because the resharpening may have been poorly done.    One of my apprentice training books specifically forbids using resharpened tools, unless done on a professional drill grinder.  Not by hand, or with an attachment.  Once the performance of a new tool has been learnt, then move on to resharpening.  Knowing how a twist drill in good condition cuts, makes it much easier to spot drills in poor condition, either blunt, or a botched re-grind.

                            Dave

                             

                             

                             

                             

                            #740739
                            Andrew Johnston
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                              On SillyOldDuffer Said
                              Small diameter drills used to making printed circuit boards have to driven very fast, as do engraving tools, and high-speed spindles can be bought for that kind of work – up to about 40000rpm.

                              My old school bench top PCB drill does 10,000rpm and the high speed spindle on my CNC mill goes to 24000rpm. For commercial PCB manufacturing SoD is an order of magnitude out; some drilling machines are now running at 500,000rpm. At one time the number of holes was a key parameter for getting a PCB quote. That doesn’t seem to be the case now. Some of the RF boards I’ve laid out have patterns of closely spaced vias to tie planes together. Board manfacturing quotes are not noticably different to a board with no RF circuitry, and far fewer holes.

                              For drills much below 10mm I don’t waste time sharpening them; just buy new. I can sharpen by hand and also have a Clarkson T&C grinder plus the drill/tap sharpening attachment which I have used for sharpening home made taps. But simply not worth wasting the time to setup and sharpen small drills. The cheap attachments for bench grinders never worked for me; if one must sharpen a jobbing drill do it freehand.

                              Andrew

                               

                              #740842
                              larry phelan 1
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                                @larryphelan1

                                Lucky man, Andrew, that you can draw the line at 10mm!

                                I draw my line at 4mm, not for cost reasons, simply because I can,t see what I,m doing after that ! But then, I,m not in business.

                                Horses for courses, as my dear old Granny used to say.

                                #740849
                                Chris Crew
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                                  @chriscrew66644

                                  Drilling holes is not really a precision operation and no hole made with a twist drill will be truly round, that’s why we either use a reamer to finish or bore where possible on jobs that require a truly round hole. As regards the quality of drills, I have full sets of Dormer/Presto/Osbourne etc. up to 1″ on plain shanks and Morse tapers and both number and letter sets but I doubt if any of them would now be made in the UK although they are still available at a price. When necessary I sharpen those above about 3/16″ with a Reliance drill grinding jig. Within the last year or so I bought a super cheap set of metric sizes from the local household discount store just to use in a hand held cordless drill on household maintenance jobs and was really surprised by the apparent quality, so you never can tell it seems. As regards drilling speeds, I have never done anything other guess it, faster for small sizes and slower as the size increases. Just like any other cutting tool, a drill bit will let you know when its not happy and you can then make the necessary adjustment. As always, it works for me.

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