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    Kim Garnett
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      @kimgarnett94824

      Hi all just wondering if any one has used the wrong gear cutter say a no5 to cut a gear instead of a no 6

      I need to cut a 20 tooth gear 14.5 PA but currently the correct cutter is out stock ie No6 17t to 20t cutter but the only stock they have is a number 5 ie 21t to 25t with the correct pressure angle the other option is that i can cut a gear with the correct cutter but with the wrong PA ie 20deg as I all ready own one. Just wondering what’s the best option would be and which is the least wrong thank in advance

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      #734532
      mike T
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        @miket56243

        The answer will depend on what the 20t 14.5 PA gear is required to mesh with. Both gears need to have the same PA.

        #734535
        Hopper
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          @hopper

          Depends on the application, but for low speed, low power applications, eg lathe change gear, model engine etc, I would opt for the cutter with the correct pressure angle. They are made to cut a range of tooth numbers so are not super-precision. I reckon you could get away with being one tooth out of range.

          If you are making gears for the transmission of a 500 horsepower engine, you might need to be more fussy.

          #734545
          Diogenes
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            @diogenes

            This, what Hopper says – use the No.5 with the matching pressure angle.

            Cutter profiles are usually the correct one for the lowest tooth count in the stated range so essentially you will be cutting a 20 tooth gear using a 21 tooth profile, all will be well.

             

             

            #734552
            Howard Lewis
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              @howardlewis46836

              I did this with a Mod gear, to fix Son in Law’s bandsaw, at short notice.

              The gear for the rise and fall of the upper guide was a sinter, loose on a shaft, with a flat to provide the drive. and had exploded.

              Having put the jigsaw together, the OD and tooth count could just be worked out. But I had a 1.25 Mod cutter, but not a 1 Mod.

              Making a replacement gear and shaft from the solid, and using the cutter to the recommended depth produced a visibly incorrect gear.

              But using a depth of cut, reduced to 80% of the theoreticaly correct, (For that cutter) resulted in a gear which did not look too bad, and meshed well enough with the rack to do the job.

              It was Chinese saw, where it was apparently impossible to make the guide adjusters concentric.

              It was simple enough to make replacements that were!

              So far as I know, the bodge is still functioning!

              So it has to be worth a try, to see if a reduced depth of cut will give a theoretically incorrect but functional gear.  But not an expedientn that I would use where accuracy was required, such as changewheels.

              For that, even for a one off, I would bite the bullet, and fork out the £30 for the proper cutter.

              Howard

              #734557
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133

                I’ve posted this a few times before … but it bears repeating:

                http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/10/pressure_angle_anamation.gif

                Unfortunately, it doesn’t include14.5° but the underlying message is obvious!

                As others have said:

                Use the wrong count of cutter, not the wrong PA

                 

                MichaelG.

                 

                #734609
                Kim Garnett
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                  @kimgarnett94824

                  Hi thanks for all of the replies. I have down a bit of digging on how these cutters and how they are made and agree with all the comments made I did find a spread sheet that will work out the dimensions for making the tool for making the Involute gear cutter and from these values I have drawn it up and compared the profiles against each other and as long as I cut a little deeper the 21t to 25t will cut a good profile on a 20t gear working on the assumption that the profiles start on the lowest tooth form.

                  Thanks again for your help

                  Kim

                  #734613
                  Neil Wyatt
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                    @neilwyatt

                    I would use the cutter for a 21-tooth but correct PA gear.

                    The gaps will be slightly too wide at the base (not a big issue) and the teeth slightly wide at the tips. You can correct this if required, but it will probably be OK, especially if you can adjust the gear spacing a little to compensate.

                    Actually, what I would do is make a single point cutter from silver steel and save a few ££.

                    Neil

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