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  • #730627
    penninelad
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      @penninelad

      Hello

      My brother and I renovate old microscopes bought for modest sums for use. This more on the optical side so would appreciate some insight into the focus rack that is so worn the focus fails. The steel pinion is fine.

      British made, London, Powell and Lealand, dated 1865. Micrometer measurements.
      Rack. Straight cut. 4 mm tooth width. 4 mm tooth height. 10 teeth in 10 mm.
      Pinion – steel, 5.1 mm diameter, 12 teeth

      Believe the teeth correspond closest to the modern metric Module 0.3 spec but in 19th C would likely have been Imperial. Am seeking cost effective off the shelf replacement and Module 0.3 are available in 2 mm width so would need two paired.

      Is this close enough to the likely Imperial spec not to bind. If not what old spec is likely being used to see if a model engineer could make one.

      Thanks!

      with regards
      David

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      #730661
      Nigel Graham 2
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        @nigelgraham2

        Since those measurements all look nice neat mm integers, and it is a scientific instrument, it could well be metric. Try measuring surrounding metalwork to see if you obtain predominately mm or inch values.

        The rack and pinion might not necessarily be Module, though, even if metric.

        #730663
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          +1 for Nigel’s comments …

          It would be worth having a browse around here:

          https://www.reliance.co.uk/catalogue/racks-and-pinions/

          MichaelG.

          #730665
          peak4
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            @peak4

            I’m certainly no instrument maker, but I wonder if using two racks might be advantageous.
            Allowing one to offset slightly, would allow an effective backlash adjustment, other than just depth of tooth engagement.
            Comment is only up for a discussion, rather than a recommendation.

            Bill

            #730673
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              Very possibly, Bill

              MichaelG.

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              Must admit, I don’t recall seeing a lantern pinion on a microscope focus before

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              Edit: __ some interesting info about what I presume to be the relevant ‘scope:

              https://www.microscope-antiques.com/ploandno3.html

               

              #730704
              penninelad
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                @penninelad

                Thanks for the responses. The query on how close module 0.3 off the shelf rack is to a possible 19th C Imperial spec has become academic as the dealer has a minimum order of £100 so would have to buy eight.

                How easy is the following to do?

                Buy a 4 mm square brass rod and mate up the good short length against it in a vice for a keycutting type approach. The teeth cuts measured with micrometer loupe are only ca. 0.4 mm wide though although notice luthier saws for string notches can be 0.3 and 0.4 mm thick. Possibly the former better if a saw tends to make a notch a bit wider than blade.

                David

                #730723
                old mart
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                  @oldmart

                  I would be tempted to file down or mill the teeth to about half their present height and then use a file or saw blade to increase the depth. The original cuts were probably made by hand and all racks have straight sided teeth as they form part of an infinitely large diameter gear. Tooth depth about 60% of the diameter of the lantern rods. A strip of brass equivalent to the lost height could be attached under the rack. Cost minimum, but hard work with great satisfaction.

                  #730725
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133

                    To be honest, my biggest concern is that the damaged rack doesn’t look entirely convincing anyway.

                    If this and the Lantern Pinion are both original parts, then I suggest that you do some experimentation and then jump-in with DiY manufacture to your own design

                    … it could be a considerable improvement.

                    MichaelG.

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                    IMG_9643.

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                    P.S. __ Forgot to mention: Your photo of the little pinion is excellent ! … do you have a diameter measurement for the pins [to compare with the rack] ?

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                    Edit: __ With thanks to Charles … please ignore that question ^^^
                    < blush >

                    #730727
                    Charles Lamont
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                      @charleslamont71117

                      Michael – I think it is your assumption that it is a lantern pinion. It does not look like one to me.

                      #730730
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133
                        On Charles Lamont Said:

                        Michael – I think it is your assumption that it is a lantern pinion. It does not look like one to me.

                        Ah! … that’s interesting

                        … I mis-interpreted the two bearings !

                        mea culpa

                        MichaelG.

                        #730732
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133
                          #730767
                          Brian Wood
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                            @brianwood45127

                            May I suggest trying the rack fitted the other way round. It might just be that the worn part of the rack is all at one end and this will restore use, albeit as something of a bodge.

                            Regards   Brian

                            PS    I was rather taken with Old Mart’s more permanent solution of reforming the rack and then displacing it towards the pinion.

                            #730796
                            Brian Wood
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                              @brianwood45127

                              Having looked again at the information provided, the pinion details indicate that this is 70 DP, almost exactly. How much this helps with restoration is rather debateable.

                              Something my wife was looking at today might provide another route. There are things know as metal clays used in the jewellery trade which are suspensions of finely divided metal in an organic binder with water that can be fired to leave a fine sintered product that can be polished to finish.

                              Bronze clay is one of these and I did wonder if a mould of the better parts of the rack could be taken to build up the worn areas, to be fired after drying with a propane torch.

                              Just a thought for discussion perhaps

                              Regards   Brian

                              #730846
                              Tim Stevens
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                                @timstevens64731

                                A good look at the rack illustration shows (to me at least) that the rack was cut in stages, starting with a narrow plain metal-saw-type blade. Some of the cuts are deeper than others, eg 8 from the far right shewn, which hints at hand-work. Then, I suggest, the tops of the slots were widened with eg a triangular file (or a double-conical rotary saw cutter). In this case, making a replacement rack should be easy if a little time consuming.

                                It becomes a different matter if it is needed to measure the movement caused by the rack etc, rather than using it just to achieve good focus. In this case, the pinion knob is going to be marked with one or more scales in fractions or decimals of a unit, perhaps with a vernier scale, and this makes the choice of the ‘right’ rack easier, as we must finish with calibrations which are true to the original. This also makes it necessary for every tooth shape to be identical along the whole working length, and this rules out hand filing.

                                So, can we have some more detail on the purpose of the rack & pinion, please? And a note of any calibrations or scale on the body or the knob for the pinion?

                                It is helpful that the pinion (whether a lantern or otherwise) appears in very good condition, so it should be re-useable. So, job ‘only’ needs a new rack.

                                Hope this helps – Tim

                                #730848
                                John Haine
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                                  @johnhaine32865

                                  As stated in the OP this is a FOCUS rack and calibration not really relevant.  We don’t know what machine tools the OP can access but if the rack isn’t too long it could easily be milled in the lathe with a cutter on a long mandrel and the work packed up to the right height on the cross slide.  Index the carriage along a tooth at a time and apply the cut by traversing the cross slide.  Assuming the pinion teeth are not too far from involute the cutter could just be a vee profile.

                                  #730858
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    @michaelgilligan61133

                                    Tim/John

                                    I think the pertinent point is that this microscope has been identified as a Powell and Lealand from 1865

                                    I posted a link earlier, which covers the P&L microscopes of that general vintage rather well … and although it has not been explicitly confirmed, it currently seems a reasonable assumption that this statement is applicable:

                                    By 1865, as shown in the example in the Billings collection(left)

                                     

                                    MichaelG.

                                    #730864
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133

                                      For the incorrigibly curious … the book of the Billings Collection is freely available here:

                                      https://medicalmuseum.health.mil/?p=collections.historical.areas.microscopy

                                      one big download, or four smaller ones

                                      MichaelG.

                                      #730871
                                      Pete Rimmer
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                                        @peterimmer30576
                                        On Brian Wood Said:

                                        Having looked again at the information provided, the pinion details indicate that this is 70 DP, almost exactly. How much this helps with restoration is rather debateable.

                                         

                                        Regards   Brian

                                        It does until you apply the long-addendum rule for 12 teeth then it comes out at 76.5DP. The 1mm pitch of the rack is very, very close to 80DP, as in 0.0001″

                                         

                                        That rack was clearly hand-cut though, either that or someone has tried to re-cut it by hand. It’s probably ‘that’ll do’ spec.

                                        #730886
                                        penninelad
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                                          @penninelad

                                          Thanks for the further responses. Picking up some points.

                                          It is a Powell and Lealand No. 3, their No. 1 was their flagship. Flipping the focus rack round for a different focus point has worked in the past for more modern designs. But this model has a different focus point on the rack for different mag objectives. Nowadays objectives are so-called parfocal, different mags have the same focus point.

                                          The rack was likely handcut, although a prestigious maker they were a small company unlike the later Zeiss, Leitz, Watson bringing in factory standards.

                                          The rack shown was the coarse focus acting on the rack on back of a triangular bar sliding in a close fitting aperture on the stand. The focus knobs axle was held in place by an opening in back. The coarse was not calibrated, the fine focus is missing on this stand but did have a crude calibration. It was vertical fine screw (a hole on top of horizontal tube support bar) acting on a lever raising the sliding collar the objective was screwed into.

                                          The good depth of field image of the pinion and rack used an Olympus TG-5. The TG series have a built in Microscope (super macro) mode that takes five sequential focus stacks and combines in the camera. Also an option for 30 focus stacks for external combination to give an image. Popular with scuba divers as totally waterproof.

                                          The website http://www.brassandglass.co.uk was given to me run by Penny Thoyts who has been very helpful for our home brew attempts. She specialises in old scope renovation with engineering rebuilds of all parts and did describe the pinion as a lantern. After careful studies she also has formulated varnishes that recreate the finish and colour of the time. This example has multiple issues, mechanical, cosmetic and optical but just doing bare minimum for basic working condition. Good examples in an outfit are well over £3k, but dealers at auction saw no profit for them so my brother and I acquired as hobbyists for a more modest three figure hammer price.

                                          The rack notches are ca. 0.4 mm wide and thought a luthier saw which are in 0.3 and 0.4 mm widths may be useful in a jig to improve the rack. Sitting on such a substantial bar and with no experience of this type of soldering am wary of heating rack hot enough to replace as soldered and pinned.

                                          IMG_3146[1]

                                           

                                          #730930
                                          Hopper
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                                            @hopper
                                            On Tim Stevens Said:

                                            A good look at the rack illustration shows (to me at least) that the rack was cut in stages, starting with a narrow plain metal-saw-type blade. Some of the cuts are deeper than others, eg 8 from the far right shewn, which hints at hand-work. Then, I suggest, the tops of the slots were widened with eg a triangular file (or a double-conical rotary saw cutter). In this case, making a replacement rack should be easy if a little time consuming.

                                            This is indeed quite do-able, in a non-measuring situation such as this one. I remember my old man making a new rack on the push-button klaxon horn on his 1923 Harley by the same/similar method, back about 1970. It is still working today. And it takes a lot more strain than a microscope focuser. You have to push the button down hard with your palm to spin the high-ratio gearing inside the klaxon to make it bark. A source of fascination to three generations of kids. `

                                             

                                            #730938
                                            Michael Gilligan
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                                              @michaelgilligan61133

                                              Having woken too early this morning, I’ve been faffing-about !

                                              … Hopefully this will be of some interest:

                                              I have an App called Easy Gear which will rapidly generate Involute spur gears [singles, or pairs]
                                              … It can’t do racks, but was comfortable handling 12,000 teeth … which is probably near enough for real work.

                                              Here’s the mesh of a 12 tooth pinion with a 12,000 tooth gear:

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                                              IMG_9647

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                                              An on-screen measurement of the “Rack” tells me that a 40° included angle would provide a much better profile than the original gashes:

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                                              IMG_9648

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                                              … So, if a suitable machine is available, a fly-cutter and some patience should produce a greatly superior rack.

                                              MichaelG.

                                              #730946
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                @michaelgilligan61133

                                                [ footnote ]

                                                For the rack, the first part of this video can obviously be simplified to just turning a cone … but it’s beautifully done:

                                                MichaelG.

                                                https://youtu.be/6M2yAUEmJbE?feature=shared

                                                 

                                                #730959
                                                noel shelley
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                                                  @noelshelley55608

                                                  For those with access to a shaper this would seem an easy job ? Or a form wheel on a surface grinder ? Noel

                                                  #730975
                                                  Nigel Graham 2
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                                                    @nigelgraham2

                                                    I would suggest a grinding-wheel would rapidly lose form while clogging with brass particles, but really we need know what tooling Penninelad has available, to be able to advise him usefully.

                                                    #730978
                                                    Adrian R2
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                                                      @adrianr2

                                                      If it’s just the 3 or 4 damaged teeth shown then it looks like there is quite a lot of the original metal still available. I’d be tempted to find a small hammer and a flat screwdriver or similar tool that fits neatly in a good section, then heat the teeth and localised area to a dull red to anneal, let cool and try and gently persuade the deformed ones back to shape with some gentle filing to finish. Checking the mesh and shimming from behind is also a good idea.

                                                       

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