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  • #157835
    colin palmer
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      @colinpalmer98646

      Hi just come into a little cash so I can now think about buying a small lathe for my shed I am wanting to work with max 3inch brass ali and no lead pewter could some one give me an idea as to what lathe is best for up to the £700 mark. I have read a few post across the internet and they all seam to differ from each other I was just wanting something that is not going to go bang after a short time and can handle minimum of 300mm length I am a complete novice at this as I have never used a lathe before so don't know if you get cutting bits with the lathe to get you started any help would be greatly received thanks. this is also my first post too.

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      #7236
      colin palmer
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        @colinpalmer98646
        #157879
        Ady1
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          @ady1

          Loads of threads in here, use google to extract them

          chicken and egg situation site:http://www.model-engineer.co.uk

          Change "chicken and egg situation" to "newbie" or "learner" "help" "starting out"or whatever you think of

           

          Read up on lathes at tonys place.
           
          get Spareys book
           
          Get a second hand one you fancy cheap off ebay.
          The good buys come with a bunch of tooling, take your time with that first purchase, a good buy LOOKS good, and you will save a huge amount of time and money later.
           
          In the first year or so you will beat the crap out of it so there's not much point in getting a brand new precision bit of gear.
           
          It's a chicken and egg situation, you need experience to make the right decision for what you want to do so don't go splurging the cash.
           
          Lathing is dirty dangerous and (eventually with practice) highly skilled so you need to find out if you enjoy it, if you don't enjoy it you won't be doing it for long.
           

          Most modelmaking can be covered by a 3.5 inch size lathe.

          Edited By Ady1 on 15/07/2014 09:49:59

          #157880
          Bazyle
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            @bazyle

            First draughtproof and insulate your shed and get a dehumidifier or your lathe will turn into a pile of rust. Or if you are lazy get a pre-rusted lathe off ebay.

            #157885
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133
              Posted by Ady1 on 15/07/2014 09:34:52:

              Loads of threads in here, use google to extract them

              chicken and egg situation site:http://www.model-engineer.co.uk

              Change "chicken and egg situation" to "newbie" or "learner" "help" "starting out"or whatever you think

              .

              Alternatively; just put your chosen search term in the box in the main body of the home page.

              … Thoughtfully provided, but apparently little-noticed; it's a convenient shortcut to the google search.

              MichaelG.

              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 15/07/2014 11:25:48

              #157889
              colin palmer
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                @colinpalmer98646

                Bazyle the shed is my bolthole so has all the mod-cons including running hot water and kettle

                does anyone know of somewhere I could look at machines local to Newcastle upon Tyne. All I can seam to find is machine mart with a crappy Clarke cl300m at least that is what I have read in the net.

                #157893
                Bob Brown 1
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                  @bobbrown1

                  How big is the shed?

                  Floor type?

                  Access?

                  #157895
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133

                    Colin,

                    Bede Tools, in Jarrow, might be worth a visit.

                    I've never been, but keep meaning to … Our children live in Sunderland and Newcastle.

                    MichaelG.

                    #157898
                    Neil Wyatt
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                      @neilwyatt

                      > a crappy Clarke cl300m

                      My CL300M is still going strong after 15 years, albeit much modified. If you google 'mini-lathe' you'll see that the Clarke is just one example of what is possibly the most numerous design of hobby lathe out there. the Americans call them 7×12 or 7×14 lathes.

                      The fundamental mini-lathe design is good and packs an awful lot into a small space. If you get a brushless motor version it should tackle all you want.

                      I suggest you look at various offerings from our advertisers including Arc Euro Trade, Chester and Warco.

                      Neil

                      #157899
                      Jon Gibbs
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                        @jongibbs59756

                        +1 for Bede Tools in Jarrow.

                        I bought my ML7 through them via eBay and they shipped it to me by pallet at cost well packed and in perfect condition.

                        HTH

                        Jon

                        #157902
                        Bob Brown 1
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                          @bobbrown1

                          just about within budget **LINK**

                          #157903
                          colin palmer
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                            @colinpalmer98646

                            Bob Brown 1

                            the shed is 15' x 8' and has 18mm sterling board floor on 7" x 4" floor joist's 12" apart then the whole lot sits on railway sleepers. access from one door is a little restricted but ok from the other. I was thinking I might need something about the size of the WM 180 Variable Speed Lathe

                            #157904
                            Bob Brown 1
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                              @bobbrown1

                              This may be a better m/c **LINK** similar but has a bigger swing and longer bed 500mm instead of 300mm and more.

                              They are on here **LINK** for more dosh

                              I think something like a Boxford will require a stronger floor

                              Edited By Bob Brown 1 on 15/07/2014 15:02:07

                              #157906
                              Swarf, Mostly!
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                                @swarfmostly

                                Hi there, Colin,

                                Some folks may tell you that a wooden floor will condemn you to poor results and will advise you to cut a hole in the floor, dig a deep foundation and cast an in-situ concrete pedestal for your lathe.

                                I'm not saying that's wrong BUT I do suggest that you defer such a radical measure until you have gained some experience with whatever lathe you get.

                                My Myford ML7 is bolted to a home-made sheet steel and angle 'iron' cabinet stand that has a length of angle 'iron', web outwards, at the foot of each end. I used to have a workshop on scaffold boards and railway sleepers and the lathe cabinet ends sat on two strips of ½" hard felt on the floor. The lathe is mounted on the Myford raising blocks with built-in jacking screws for 'levelling'. Over a couple of years the cabinet filled up with accessories for the lathe and chunks of useful material (any old iron!) so there was quite a bit of mass there to stabilise the situation. I wasn't doing super precise work but that arrangement never caused me any problems.

                                So, get your lathe and get some practice & experience and then, and only then, pursue the ultimate lathe foundation, if it proves to be necessary. And not until you've decided definitely where in the workshop you want the lathe to be sited.

                                It's handy to have a pluggable hole in the wall in line with the lathe mandrel in case you ever need to operate on the end of something long!

                                I also suggest that you install and use an extractor fan (at least 9" ) over the kettle.

                                Best regards,

                                Swarf, Mostly!

                                 

                                Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 15/07/2014 15:16:37

                                Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 15/07/2014 15:17:51

                                #157907
                                Russell Eberhardt
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                                  @russelleberhardt48058
                                  Posted by Bob Brown 1 on 15/07/2014 15:00:45:

                                  This may be a better m/c **LINK** similar but has a bigger swing and longer bed 500mm instead of 300mm and more.

                                  I had one of those in my workshop as a second lathe and was pleasantly surprised by its performance. Just had to get rid of it to make room for something else. There is an active yahoo group for that lathe, the 9x20Lathe group.

                                  Russell.

                                  #157912
                                  Neil Wyatt
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                                    @neilwyatt

                                    It may be a bit of travel, but I'd suggest taking a 'pilgrimage' to Chester, Warco or Arc and comparing these machines side by side. Even the mini lathe will tackle 3" diameter or 300mm long but maybe not at the same time

                                    Neil

                                    #157913
                                    colin palmer
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                                      @colinpalmer98646

                                      So which machine would be the better choice between the Chester's 920 and the DB7VS both seam to have some different features to each other but do I need to worry about metric or imperial

                                      #157914
                                      Bob Brown 1
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                                        @bobbrown1

                                        Metric or imperial is a bit of a personal choice and depends on what you are most comfortable with.

                                        If you work in feet and inches then may be the imperial m/c if on the other hand you work in mm/cm/meters then go metric but you will find that from time to time you have to work between the two.

                                        I have no problem with either as it is easy to convert dimensions, like 1mm = 0.04" some dimensions you get used to like 1/4" = 6.35mm etc but that comes with time.

                                        As to which m/c is the best I would always go for the one with the largest capacity so in this case the 920 wins as it will swing 240mm x 500mm apposed to the DB7VS at 180mm x 300mm. It is guaranteed you want to turn something larger than the machine will take and that is probably going to come sooner on the smaller lathe.

                                        #157915
                                        Howi
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                                          @howi

                                          I am going to throw in my 5 pence worth, being a relative newcomer as well. I got an AMA210 lathe from Amadeal, bigger than the Clarke (7 x14) but smaller than the 9-20.

                                          Unless you really know what you are looking at forget used, do not believe everything you read about Chinese lathes.

                                          Take any advice from this forum with a little pinch of salt, the advice is in general correct, just not appropriate for a beginner. When you have used your lathe for a while then you will be able to understand the advice given here.

                                          #157917
                                          Neil Wyatt
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                                            @neilwyatt

                                            Check the specifications, but i think the DBVS has variable speed while the 920 machines have a relatively limited range of fairly high speeds (but our next issue of MEW offers a solution to that). As both a way bigger than what Colin gave as examples of the size he needs the variable speed machine might suit better. I stand by my suggestion – view before choose!

                                            Neil

                                            #157918
                                            Nigel McBurney 1
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                                              @nigelmcburney1

                                              Buy a Boxford,they will sit ok on your timber floor,they are tougher and generally cheaper than a Myford ,plenty of capacity,plus 19mm hole up the spindle and spares available on the secondhand market,avoid the far eastern stuff.

                                              do not worry about wooden floors ,in the past I ran a myford S7 in an upstairs room without any problems,keep the lathe oiled or ditch the kettle.

                                              My first lathe was an EW ,an english built lathe made for a while after the war ,capacity 2.5 inch centre height by 10 inch between centres ,nice well built machine but too small for real model making ,

                                              #157920
                                              frank brown
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                                                @frankbrown22225

                                                18mm Sterling board is not even any good for a potting shed, with the damp it will droop between the joist. Mount your lathe at right angles to the main floor joists and make sure that the cabinet/stand sits on a decent surface joist that bridges as many under floor joists as possible.

                                                Frank

                                                #157922
                                                Bob Brown 1
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                                                  @bobbrown1

                                                  Not sure the speed is going to be too much of a problem, if you opt for the 9-20 (100 to 1800 rpm) then if it does just fit a VSD.

                                                  Floor may be a problem and certainly would be if you stick a Boxford on it (250/300Kg) but a bench mounted machine should be a lot lighter (9-20 100Kg) but I would be inclined to stick a piece of 18mm minimum WBP ply under the bench. Do not make the mistake I did and buy a supposed heavy duty metal bench to stick my Dore Westbury mill on only to find it did not support it very well so added some 4 x 2 timber to sort that out..

                                                  #157927
                                                  Oompa Lumpa
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                                                    @oompalumpa34302
                                                    Posted by colin palmer on 15/07/2014 16:52:41:

                                                    So which machine would be the better choice between the Chester's 920 and the DB7VS both seam to have some different features to each other but do I need to worry about metric or imperial

                                                    Well here you go:

                                                    For many good reasons, last year I bought a Chester DB7VS lathe. At the time I considered it a stopgap. My situation is a bit different than most, I have access to three different lathes of varying sizes and capacities – even John let me use his rather nice Chester with DRO's on every axis.

                                                    The main reason was that I didn't have to run down the street to borrow a machine just to turn down a cap screw or some similar trivial task if I had my own lathe in my workshop. I already had a nice Taig lathe that I use for plastics and it was just too much swapping chucks and setups to do a bit of mild steel.

                                                    Since the very first day I bought the machine it has performed every task I have asked of it. It has really, really surprised me with its heart. It is far more accurate than everyone told me a Chinese lathe would be and I don't regret spending anything on it. It will do anything a budding engineer would ask and frankly, the deal Chester has going at the moment is terrific. Echoing others here, be cautious when buying used second hand gear so early on in your engineering journey. I am seriously considering copying Neil and putting a VFD and three phase motor on the machine.

                                                    If there is anything I would change or have it is power feed on the cross slide, this will come with my next machine. And I am not sure I would sell the little Chester when I get a bigger machine and I certainly wouldn't hesitate recommending any of the well known small Chinese lathes to any beginner because I have had an opportunity to try quite a few now and all of the stories of poor quality may have been true ten years ago but they are no longer. Quality is good, reliability is good and there are a myriad of accessories available from the most modest to the most complex – up to and including overhead milling attachments.

                                                    graham.

                                                    #157930
                                                    Steve Withnell
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                                                      @stevewithnell34426

                                                      As it happens, my Chinese bench lathe is almost 10 years old, it was bought as a clearance item from ArcEurotrade branded as a Sieg C6B. I think I'm right in saying it was also sold as the Chester Comet. The lathe is the same class of machine as the old Chester 920, but has an additional 25KG of iron in the bed, or thereabouts, naive maybe but I translated that extra weight into rigidity. There's a buying criteria for you – how heavy is it?

                                                      I bought "new Chinese" as opposed to "old English" because as a beginner, the warranty and after sales was really important. the C6 has not missed a beat, despite being cold and damp each winter. Given the reviews the latest Warco lathes are getting, the argument for a new starter taking a risk on a secondhand English machine on the basis of it being "better" than the chinese machines is looking to me a bit erroneous. The sale price expectation on s/h Myford's of unknown pedigree is another issue (for a beginner).

                                                      Steve

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