Ivy Hall 3 1/2″ steam engine

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    Philip Slater
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      A few years ago I purchased a part finished 3 1/2″ gauge Ivy Hall steam engine, the design for which was featured in the model engineer magazine in 1955 / 1956. The original builder who has now deceased appears to have modified the design slightly and fitted an air brake system complete with air cylinder and small air pump to the loco. I’m now working through the loco trying to understand it and give it a clean up and renovation. It was started back in 1956 so it’s got a few years of grime on it.

      My question is has anybody seen such a design for brakes on a 3 1/2″ gauge model steam loco before? I’m concerned the brakes will not be strong enough in service. The air pump is like a miniature version of a bicycle pump driven from the engines main cylinder linkage. The seals of the pump have perished so doesn’t do a great deal of compressing of air at the moment. What sort of seals are normally used?

      This is my first visit into the world of model steam trains so I’m pretty clueless at the moment.

      Thanks

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      Roger Best
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        Hi Philip

        Usually model engineering pumps use simple O-rings. Nice and cheap.

        Bicycle pumps use directional seals, which are a sort of cone shape, so that the withdraw stoke admits air past the seal, and the power stroke forces the seal against the bore.

        You could have either, I would suggest that an O-ring would normally have a groove with shoulders of similar diameter, the shoulders certainly have to come past the half way point to secure the O-ring.

        Other seals won’t have so high a shoulder to allow the cone space to move. I don’t know where you would find such a thing but I bet google does. Amazon and eBay usually.

        I see that this is an old thread so you may have made good progress already.

         

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        Bazyle
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          On a 3 1/2″  loco the brakes are cosmetic but nice to have working. They shouldn’t be thought of for stopping a giant sitting on a truck behind even if they technically could be made strong enough. The riding trolley must have its own brakes with a lever. 5″ locos sometimes have systems for the air brakes on riding cars but I’m not sure if a smaller engine would have the spare grunt to run the pump.

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