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    Peter Cook 6
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      My clock project progresses (very) slowly. While it’s too cold to spend much time in the workshop I have been thinking about how to make some of the bits.

      This is the pinwheel for the escapement. It’s 32mm diameter. the 35 pins are 1mm diameter brass or phosphor bronze rod, 5mm long (plus the bit in the wheel) on a 29mm pitch circle. There is 2.09mm between the finished flat on one pin and the back of the next. The curved back is the acting surface, and the flat is needed to keep the drop small by allowing the pallets to be closer together.

      Pinwheel Image

      The question is the best way to cut the flats on the pins. I have a small rotary table for the mill, so I am thinking of  mounting the wheel (with round pins) on the table (horizontal), and milling the flats with a 1 or 1.5mm end mill.

      I am not sure the 1mm Brass pins would mill without bending, so I think I will make a support block as shown (it needs more elaboration for clamping) and put it behind each pin before milling.

      I am hoping someone has a better idea!

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      #710369
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133

        As an alternative … you could chuck the pin in a collet on the [watchmaker’s] lathe and use a filing rest.

        But that, of course, assumes that you would make them before fitting to the wheel.

        Oops !

        MichaelG.

        #710373
        Peter Cook 6
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          @petercook6

          Thanks Michael, but once I had made the pins I would need to insert them into the wheel with the flats accurately aligned radially, and that feels even more complex!!

          I did consider that as an idea – especially as it’s possible to buy ruby pins for a Brocot escapment pre made to shape – unfortunately 2mm seems to be the smallest.

          #710377
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            May be easier to drill the hole pattern on a scrap disc of metal and slip over the assembled pinwheel and then just do a series of radial cuts rather than having the possibility of the wedge coming loose

            #710378
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              I was sort-of relying on your remark, Peter

              The curved back is the acting surface …

              … but I do agree, it would be a lot of work.

              MichaelG.

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              Edit: __ My other barmy idea was to ‘pot’ the whole ring of pins in Cerrobend or similar and then melt it out when the deed is done.

              #710386
              Peter Cook 6
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                @petercook6

                Thank you Jason. Almost the inverse of what I planned, but way easier to make. Something like this – would be moved each time the table was indexed, but much easier to clamp

                Pinwheel Jig

                #710387
                Martin Connelly
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                  @martinconnelly55370

                  An MDF support plate may be enough for machining the brass pins as it is only going to be between 0 and 0.5mm coming off. An alternative to a milling cutter is a slitting saw. A 1mm or 2mm saw will do this and will leave a nice surface on brass. A lot less flimsy than a tiny milling cutter where having one snap after a few pins are machined would be very troublesome in my mind.

                  If you want a metal support plate you don’t need to make one to go over all the pins at once, one that only supports a few of the pins at once would be enough as long as it can be slipped off and repositioned without much struggle.

                  Martin C

                   

                  #710388
                  Martin Kyte
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                    @martinkyte99762

                    Mount the whole thing in the lathe and index the spindle so you can move from one pin to the next. Grind the flats with a diamond disc in a cross slide mounted dremel or similar. It will probably help to file the pins roughly to size before installing in the pinwheel and use the grinding operation as a finishing operation.

                    regards Martin

                    #710389
                    noel shelley
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                      @noelshelley55608

                      Grinding would be my choice ! Noel.

                      #710408
                      duncan webster 1
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                        @duncanwebster1

                        Perhaps a daft idea, but here goes. Pin wheel on an arbour in a chuck, filing rest set up with both wheels outside the pin wheel and the file overhanging. Keep file in contact with rear roller and keep filing till it touches the the front one

                        #710410
                        speelwerk
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                          @speelwerk

                          Why not use 0.5mm pivot steel instead?  Niko.

                          #710477
                          Peter Cook 6
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                            @petercook6
                            On speelwerk Said:

                            Why not use 0.5mm pivot steel instead?  Niko.

                            The semi-circular shape is stronger.

                            Treated as a beam fixed at one end the 1mm diameter semicircle is much stiffer than a 0.5mm diameter rod. Rough checks with an online calculator suggest 10 times less deflection for the same load using the same material.

                            Thank you all for the ideas most useful! As I don’t have a filing rest, and am pathologically allergic to repetitive manual work, the indexed rotary table and a cutting tool are much more appealing. Using a slitting saw is something I had not considered, and the idea of a disc shaped jig appeals.

                            Not sure grinding is as appealing. Z control on my little SX1 mill is less precise than I  would like for 35 repetitions of the same amount ground off. Locking Z tight and cutting at the same height with the saw looks a better bet.

                            Thanks again for the ideas.

                            #710481
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              @michaelgilligan61133

                              Give it a go then, Peter

                              Bon Voyage !

                              … and do please share the lovely results.

                              MichaelG.

                              #710548
                              lfoggy
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                                @lfoggy

                                I’ve made something similar in the past. Pins were high speed steel and glued into the holes in the wheel. Wheel was mounted on a mandrel in the lathe, with headstock indexing attachment fitted. The flats on the pins were then ground with a thin disc type grinding wheel in a toolpost mounted spindle. Worked well.

                                #710551
                                Neil Wyatt
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                                  @neilwyatt

                                  I’d make a filing jig with hardened steel guides.

                                  Neil

                                  #710610
                                  Martin Kyte
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                                    @martinkyte99762
                                    On Peter Cook 6 Said:
                                    On speelwerk Said:

                                    Why not use 0.5mm pivot steel instead?  Niko.

                                    Not sure grinding is as appealing. Z control on my little SX1 mill is less precise than I  would like for 35 repetitions of the same amount ground off. Locking Z tight and cutting at the same height with the saw looks a better bet.

                                    Thanks again for the ideas.

                                    That’s why if you did grind the pins you should lock the cross slide and take a lick of all the pins at the same setting indexing round as you go. (Hence my suggestion that  you reduce the amount to be taken off by filing prior to fitting the pins)

                                    Whatever you do I hope it works for you.

                                    regards Martin

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