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    Paul Radford
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      Hi I’m Paul- a newbie from Lichfield who joined a few months ago after purchasing a lathe. I’ve since purchased a Tom Senior M1 milling machine which I’ve been cleaning up. Can anyone help me with a query I’ve got please? How far should the knee travel down as mine seems very stiff. I’ve tried to adjust the gibs but still stiff and don’t think I can get it to go down as far as it should! Does anyone know the distance it should travel please? Thank you! 😊

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      #709920
      Brian Wood
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        @brianwood45127

        Hello Paul,

        I have the smaller Junior machine, which is very similar to the M1. My knee winds pretty much all the way to the bottom so something is wrong on yours.

        The obvious candidate is wear in the knee dovetail guides, the more heavily used areas being higher up. Strip and inspect is the way to find out. To get the weight on the knee down to manageable levels it would be wise to remove the table complete, not forgetting to release the cardan shaft on the rear right hand side that drives the table feed via the leadscrew.

        A less likely possibility might be that someone has dragged the machine out from where it was with a rope round the vertical ACME lead screw that the table is raised and lowered by and the resulting bend is resisting screwing through the feed-nut. Again, strip and inspect and straighten the screw if bent. It is soft, so will respond well levering against a close fitting hole in a baulk of timber. How do I know? Mine was in that state when I bought it and as a second such job I have straightened a Landrover track rod after some idiot put a tow rope on it!

        Regards   Brian

         

        #709937
        Paul Radford
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          @paulradford79614

          Hi Brian.
          Thank you for your response – that is very helpful! Being a newbie I’m a bit wary about stripping those parts down yet. However I’ve loosened the two bolts on the housing where the thread goes through the bottom and it seems to have made it much easier and the kneeler goes right to the bottom now!
          Don’t suppose you’re local to Lichfield as would have been good to meet up!
          Thanks again
          Paul

          #709940
          Brian Wood
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            @brianwood45127

            Hello Paul,

            At least you have eased it, but not really solved it. That suggests the screw is slightly bent—I suggest you ask your wife to watch it while you raise and lower the knee to see what happens.

            I live in Thirsk North Yorkshire and sadly I no longer judge my eyesight good enough to be up to the rigours of modern traffic so have surrended my license. Matters were not helped when I contracted shingles in my right eye in March 2022, leaving corneal scarring in that eye.

            I hope you can sort it out. The Senior milling machines are nice solidly built bits of kits and it should serve you well.

            Best wishes   Brian

             

             

            #709971
            Chris Crew
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              @chriscrew66644

              I would suggest simply placing a TDI against the screw and looking at the run-out if you suspect the screw to be bent. I have not had to do or tried this for myself but I would think that you would see any run-out before the stylus dropped into a thread as the screw rotated. You could set it at different points up and down the screw to see if there is any difference in the deflections of the needle and there should be enough ‘daylight’ under the knee to establish any deviation before you might crush the TDI. I have an M1 that I must admit has seen better days in terms of wear in the screws but the knee does still rise and fall with uniform resistance the full length of the screw. If the screw is found to be bent, I understand that there are firms which can provide a straightening service for such things. Other than that, you would be looking at finding a ‘scrapper’ to cannibalise.

              #710005
              Brian Wood
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                @brianwood45127

                Chris,

                I’ve already told Paul how I dealt with mine, being soft they will bend easily with appropriate leverage. I can’t now remember how I removed mine from my mill, it is more than 20 years ago when I acquired it, but I seem to recall it can be done without having to remove the table from the knee.

                While I have your attention—you posted something the other day on the Forum which I can no longer find about working out gear ratios, stating that you found those hard to do. I might be able to help but don’t know if we can do PMs with this new system. If you would like some help that is. My email address is wood_y(at) btinternet.com. There is an underscore between the d and y

                Regards  Brian

                #710007
                Howard Lewis
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                  @howardlewis46836

                  Welcome!

                  Keep us posted on what you find and how successful you are in correcting the fault.

                  Howard

                  #710028
                  Paul Radford
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                    @paulradford79614

                    Just wanted to thank you all for your help and responses! I’ll keep you updated with how I get on! 😊

                    #710042
                    old mart
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                      @oldmart

                      The TS light vertical we have at the museum will go down right to the apron level, and since I raised the whole column up by about 40mm to increase knee travel, it goes a little further. Possibly, a week spent dismantling, cleaning and reassembling with new lubricants would get the knee moving better. As I recall, the gibs on the knee are not easy to adjust, being two lots of bolts at right angles from each other.

                      #710054
                      Paul Radford
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                        @paulradford79614

                        <p style=”text-align: center;”>Which museum is that at? Sounds interesting! 🤔</p>

                        #710079
                        Steviegtr
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                          @steviegtr

                          Yes as old mart I have the senior light version with around 16″ of z axis. It would be more but with the added power feed it reduced it slightly. Hope you get it sorted. A grand old & well made machine.

                          Steve.

                          #710144
                          Chris Crew
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                            @chriscrew66644

                            Brian W, I have sent you a PM, I hope you can find it as it is the first one I have tried to send on this new site. Chris c.

                            #710169
                            Brian Wood
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                              @brianwood45127

                              Hello Chris,

                              Success, I have replied

                              Brian

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